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Ban/Unban Requests / Re: Ingame ban "for annoying people" on chat
« on: February 25, 2014, 04:22:04 pm »
Wow, is all I can say on this amount of hypocrisy...

First of all, as I asked before: what part of that happened ingame? Where and who did I sabotage? What part of telling a person that he is jeopardizing the server safety (in private) is a witch hunt? The only unfriendly thing I said was that he was acting like a little child. After my warning all I got were threats and accusations. If you do not know the full story, don't go spreading wild insinuations in public.
The only spam I ever did was more than a month ago for which I got a ban that ended up taking about 4 weeks. I did not ask to be unbanned from the chat. I asked  to be unbanned from the game.

Now please, if you do not want to go against alex879ro rather keep silent than display this kind of sorry insinuations...

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Ban/Unban Requests / Ingame ban "for annoying people" on chat
« on: February 24, 2014, 11:19:21 pm »
Hi,

I was banned by alex879ro. The reason stated was: annoying people.
Well first of all I never knew that annoying behavior (on IRC) is a reason for a 30 day ban... Also the ban reason seems like a bit exaggerated since I have never got complaints except for alex...
 
I would like to be unbanned (at least from the game).
Looking forward to hearing a reply.

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Complaints / Re: Forum behavour
« on: January 30, 2014, 07:12:47 pm »
hehe do you think? I will need some other inspiration though. People will get bored by pieces like these I fear...

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Complaints / Re: Forum behavour
« on: January 29, 2014, 05:45:08 pm »
1st quote: The final team was decided by Geert and Batt. It is not up to you to declare if we had players or not. Also, the fact that you know certain specific insides of the n-ice community but you start posting them publicly is something that worries me. Way more then your accusation of arogance because of the frustration caused my decision from last evening.
I referred to the first tournament. There was a news post that said a player had to jump in as substitute at the last moment. So maybe you are right that it is not up to me to declare that. You already did that yourself in the news section. That still does not justify you belittling the players by asking them not to transform things into a drama like they are children that will start yelling and screaming if they are not allowed to play along. What specifics do I know that I start posting publicly? All the quotes I pasted here from you (except that 2 irc logs) are from the forum, so I really do not know what you are talking about. The accusation of arrogance is way older than last night, don't you worry. Just note the date of this post:
The reason I get irritated with you (note irritated, not aggressive) is your condescending tone, and tendency to  put the blame on others or other circumstances.
Also I am not frustrated with you banning me form the #openttd.chat channel. I am still able to speak to the people that want to communicate with me.
2nd quote: Kwissy was banned for cheating. Turning from such an action to a normal player and more importantly to someone who helps the n-ice community took a while...but I`m glad that he did it. After the ban he had a period when he insisted to change the money transfer several times. I can justify my answer to Kwissy if he requests it, or probably to any other player, but not to you. I simply do not consider that you deserve a justification after your recent behaviour. Also, asking me 7-8 times for something of which I already said I do not agree, kinda seems pointless, don`t you agree?
Thank you for proving my point that it is ok for you to offend other people but not the other way arround. No justification needed, I did not ask for it.

3rd quote makes absolutely no sense. You quoted a post from a different topic of the forum and placed it in a board where a player accused Kwissy of cheating the 2nd time. I researched and found no evidence that Kwissy would have done such a thing.
That is funny because that is your own post http://www.n-ice.org/openttd/forum/index.php?topic=483.msg2842#msg2842 (at the bottom of your post if you still cannot find it)

The reason why I quoted this is that in your words others have no excuse to be aggressive but you do.

4th quote refers again to something from another topic: You consider that you`re making a point quoting my answers from my replies in all the forum?
Or perhaps we have someone with a new obsession ? Since from what I remember, the replies that you posted are from 2-3 different topics, I can only think that you researched all of them?
No I consider that if you do something yourself you can expect the same kind of response. There are quite a few topics out there that are full of logs and other 'evidence' that you posted to prove what is wrong with their behavior. I return you the favor by doing the same to you. Does not feel nice getting confronted with your own words does it? I only remind you to the fact that you tell other players that there is no excuse for aggressive behavior but fail to apply that yourself.

6th quote: not even worth bothering answering? Kwissy cheated once for which we still have the proof, then that topic was referring to another player complaining about him? Did you think about that? Or again, frustration problem?
Quite telling that you do not find it worth bothering to answer to a post in which you unjustly accuse a player of lying...And no this was not in a topic where a player complained about him. This was from a topic where he made a good suggestion and you resisted it in every way you could only to have it implemented in the end anyway.
 
7th quote: yes, I consider I have the right to be angry while you don`t. You want to know why? Because I have the obligation to follow the n-ice protocols even in the case of annoying people like you. People who track the whole forum in order to try to make an interesting debate about somebody.
You want to know why again? I have never bothered you on IRC. About you bothering me could we say the same thing?
Really mate, I do not track the whole forum just to make a debate. I posted my support for a suggestion that I thought was a good one for the community. From that you somehow feel the need to get aggressive. The reason this whole thread was started was because you unjustly threatened me with a ban. Never bothered me on IRC? Are you sure? I would hate to get the logs but...

About me bothering you, depends what you consider bothering...

You used the fact that I did not reply to your 2 page reply as a reason to display certain behavior towards me, yet when I do answer you, you skillfully ignore it by only replying to the last post and try to shoot holes in it. Luckily you have grown past the point of simply removing posts that you do not like. Thumbs up for that.  ;)

8th quote : The funny quotes section is made to post quotes in a friendly ironic way. I see nothing friendly between me and you. Also, your obsession for always warning and interfering in the fun of 2 players worries me.... The same as quoting only a part of the post in order to try to make a point.
If you look at that quote I see nothing friendly between those players. If you look at the log you posted before that it is even more clear. I can almost guarantee you that cobra jj was not enjoying the conversation but simply did not want to call an admin. I did not say that you should have warned him, I merely pointed out that posting it there it is a bit strange to say the least. You paste a clearly insulting log in the funny quotes forum while the rules state that insulting people is not allowed. I am not the only one that thinks admins should be specifically aware of rules and try not to get themselves in borderline situations!

It wasn`t spam.
I don't know what your definition of spam is but pasting a reply 12 times certainly fits my definition...

However, when it comes to your post....you did out of.....I don`t even know what it was. You felt the need to show me that you can repeat replies, BUT WITHOUT A REASON...which is spamming. Combined with flashing my name without a reason and your recent behaviour of bothering most of the people on the channel, it resulted in my telling you that you need a break from that channel.
You indeed miss the point. The point is that you do not judge your own actions the same way you do to others. You keep denying that you were spamming while I honestly don't know what else pasting a line 12 times could be called. My recent behavior of bothering most of the people?? I have not had any complaints about myself except form you. If any other people have a problem with me they have not told me so in any way.

After all the _______ justifications that you made write here AGAIN, even if I told them to you last evening, I can only concur that my judging of your behaviour was correct. I`m pretty sure you can understand the difference between 15 replies(more or less, I didn`t count them) WITH A REASON: designed to show anger because you were becoming very annoying and pretending not to see my answer and the 6 replies WITHOUT A REASON and posted only to show the muscles...or I have no idea why.
I cannot make any sense out of what you are saying here... sorry I simply do not understand. Maybe try some translator software?

Now my warning to you. Either you cut it out and take that break, or I will enforce the break on you. Bothering me is included.
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[2014-01-28 01:14:55] <Andreas> hi 4lex, I did not realise you wanted an answer to that posts, but if you would like it, I am more than happy to answer :)
Note the fact that I wrote your name as 4lex in order not to disturb you if you were busy. If you do not want me to answer, you should not give me not answering as a reason not to reply to me in a normal way. As stated a few post back, the reason for resurrecting this topic is you saying you expected an answer.

As a justification to you: Your behaviour recently has been annoying for the people on the channel. It appears to me that you have got a lot of free time. Well, NOT EVERYBODY has free time to spend it answering your questions. Also, posting oppinions and news about OpenTTD 1.4.0 is not something of interest since we haven`t switched to that. But yet you feel very good by seeing that most of the people do not know it, but you do.
So my conclusion is very simple: You absolutely need a break from that channel. I trully hope you won`t prove that it should be a permanent break.
Now you just start ranting and looking for extra reasons for banning me where they are not. I did not ask questions there that I demanded an answer for. Discussing the fact that in your pov the OTTD dev's don't attempt to increase realism is also not something of interes for n-ice yet you felt the need to do that. A discussion about maglev being a viable alternative to air and rail travel is also not in the interest of n-ice but yet you start it... I honestly do not see what I did wrong in that respect. And lastly where do you get the impression that I feel good about knowing the features of the current trunk?? As I said before this seems like a sorry attempt to justify your actions towards me. There is no need for your justification. I do not agree with you, but I also will not appeal to your decision because it is not worth it to me. That means that there is no need to try so hard to make your case.


Note that in this whole reply there is no question except for the one where you assume that I somehow feel good about myself for knowing the game. There are only answers to your accusations/replies so don't even try to turn this reply into a reason to tell me I need a break and that I bother people.

P.s. Now that I read that part about you thinking that I feel very good, I cant help but wonder, has this quote got something to do with that idea?:
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Each player has a different knowledge of the game, and then we got Andreas :)  He had the time to gain experience so he has a whole different understanding of the game.
(not a question, just a thought that crossed my mind...)

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Complaints / Re: Forum behavour
« on: January 28, 2014, 03:41:51 pm »
Lastly the promissed examples of arogance and double standards:
  • On the newspost for the inter comunity tournament signup:
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The players interested in participating in the tournament, please talk to admins Geert and Batt. They can give you the password of the server.
Also, it is up to them to choose the team which plays, so we ask you not to transform this into a drama if some of you will not be selected.
For the first tournament N-Ice almost did not have a complete team. Also there was no practicing. Still you feel the need to ask players not to transform things into a drama... That is the kind of behavior I refer to when I say "arrogant" or "condescending"
  • In the discussion about money transfer:
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I am sorry Kwissy, but you are not the one to decide here. Unfortunately, you are nothing here except someone with an obsession.
You assume that he has an obsession yet the only one that keeps referring to his punishment is you. I think you have an obsession to deny that everything you personally do not consider a problem.
  • In the same topic:
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@others Apologise for my agressive attitude , but I`ve really had enough of this guy and his attitude.
http://www.n-ice.org/openttd/forum/index.php?topic=488.msg2743;boardseen#new
So I guess the following applies to other persons but not to you?
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From my point of view....anger should not be considered in this topic. I was angry too for him activating my filters....It was like "Oh...you don`t want to answer....not to worry, i`ll make you." But yet again....i answered all his questions .
If somebody comits a crime cause he was angry.....i don`t see the judges lowering his punishment just because he was angry. And beside....only the half month is for the attitude. Would be better to think why he got the 2 months first and act accordingly. Perhaps if he did that, he wouldn`t have gotten the 2 weeks extra.
Yes, i`m sure that anger management is usefull, but not in my opinion. Some people can hold their anger...and some do not...
I think that anger behaviour being forgiven is not fair for people who control themselves. It`s like giving the guilty person a reason to behave like that...saying...oh...poort guy...he`s just angry.
(note some additional examples of you doing things out of anger in the posts above. In your own words it would not be fair for people who control themselves if I forgive you for that. Luckily, in my brain forgiving does not work that way, so I will still forgive you :) )
  • Continuing in the Kwissy topic:
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Kwissy, you lied when we caught you cheating, you`re lying now. You want to do a little psychology to see if in fact you were obsessed with the idea of money transfer?
You accuse a player of lying without any proove. As a matter of fact the logs later did proove that he did not lie. All he did was to disagree with the fact that it was cheating. He did argue, maybe he wasted your time in your pov, but he did not lie. Also how could you be so sure that he was obsessed? (And thus is lying in that post about not being obsessed) Did you look into his brain? Are you a psychic?  (If you want to I can also do a little psychology on your behavior)
  • Also in that topic:
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Beul, you`re making me agressive again. I asked him to cut it out with the idea.
Once again, I am not allowed to become "agressive" (by the way imo I never was agressive on the forum) but you are! And that for just agreeing with a player!
  • In the quotes topic:
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Update from the same 2 geniuses :P
[22:57] <+OTTD-1> cobra jj (Red): god has spoken...
[22:58] <+OTTD-1> SteamCrafters Darren (Grey): has he also announced your retarded?
[22:58] <+OTTD-1> SteamCrafters Darren (Grey): cool story bro
Sarcastically calling players geniuses. (this is sarcasm right?) Also in stead of warning SteamCrafters for insulting cobra jj (calling him retarded is an insult) you post the "funny" remark here. Judging form your reaction to "your corrupt government" you think it less funny when it happens to you!

To conclude, the double standards:

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[2014-01-28 01:52:40] <Andreas> also if it is not a problem for you if everybody builds like that why don't you want to remove it from the rules?
[2014-01-28 01:53:03] <Andreas> you did not answer that question
[2014-01-28 01:53:48] <~alex879ro> v[02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:53:49] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:53:50] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:53:51] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:53:52] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:53:52] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:53:54] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:53:55] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:53:56] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:53:57] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:53:57] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:53:59] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:00] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:01] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:01] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:02] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:04] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:05] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:06] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:07] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:07] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:09] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:10] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:11] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:12] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:12] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:14] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:15] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:16] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:16] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:17] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:19] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:20] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:21] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <Andreas> besides, you say that I don't understand new players. My question is how are new players supposed to know which rules are "guidelines" and which ones are rules?
[2014-01-28 01:54:21] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re not
[2014-01-28 01:54:22] <~alex879ro> [02:39] <~alex879ro> they`re supposed to try to respect each rule
[2014-01-28 01:54:24] <~alex879ro> now you see it?
[2014-01-28 01:54:57] <Andreas> and you dare to call me annoying
[2014-01-28 01:55:21] <Andreas> most people would consider what you did there quite childish
[2014-01-28 01:55:48] <~alex879ro> you`d be surprised to see what most people consider about taking the subject of a conversation in a circle
[2014-01-28 01:55:53] <~alex879ro> not understanding anything...
[2014-01-28 01:56:01] <~alex879ro> making the other person look in the forums
[2014-01-28 01:56:10] <~alex879ro> for quotes to prove you that you were wrong...
[2014-01-28 01:56:28] <~alex879ro> and afterwards you consider a reply to be childish
[2014-01-28 01:56:39] <~alex879ro> after saying that I did not answer
[2014-01-28 01:56:45] <Andreas> no, I consider spamming childish
[2014-01-28 01:59:44] <Andreas> alex879ro, you are the one that goes in circles. Your answer implies that if you are called for such a situation by a player you have to explain that it is not allowed
[2014-01-28 02:01:11] <Andreas> also, you can agree or disagree, but if I start spamming like you did, you would most likely kick me
[2014-01-28 02:01:21] <Andreas> or not alex879ro?
[2014-01-28 02:01:49] <~alex879ro> @Andreas weather you can understand what a prevention rule means.....and how to behave in such a situation, it is not my problem...I consider I have answered to your every question until the following circle
[2014-01-28 02:02:12] <~alex879ro> as I said...this conversation is over...
[2014-01-28 02:03:13] *** alex879ro changed nick to alex879ro|playing
[2014-01-28 02:15:56] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> also, you can agree or disagree, but if I start spamming like you did, you would most likely kick me
[2014-01-28 02:15:56] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> or not alex879ro?
[2014-01-28 02:15:57] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> also, you can agree or disagree, but if I start spamming like you did, you would most likely kick me
[2014-01-28 02:15:57] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> or not alex879ro?
[2014-01-28 02:15:58] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> also, you can agree or disagree, but if I start spamming like you did, you would most likely kick me
[2014-01-28 02:15:58] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> or not alex879ro?
[2014-01-28 02:15:58] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> also, you can agree or disagree, but if I start spamming like you did, you would most likely kick me
[2014-01-28 02:15:58] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> or not alex879ro?
[2014-01-28 02:15:59] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> also, you can agree or disagree, but if I start spamming like you did, you would most likely kick me
[2014-01-28 02:15:59] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> or not alex879ro?
[2014-01-28 02:15:59] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> also, you can agree or disagree, but if I start spamming like you did, you would most likely kick me
[2014-01-28 02:15:59] <Andreas> [02:01] <Andreas> or not alex879ro?
[2014-01-28 02:16:14] <Andreas> probably not, good for you :)
[2014-01-28 02:23:07] *** alex879ro|playing sets channel #openttd.chat mode +b *!~Tyrion@s5375406a.adsl.online.nl
[2014-01-28 02:23:07] *** you were kicked from #openttd.chat by alex879ro|playing (Kick!)
[2014-01-28 02:23:17] Cannot join channel (You're banned)
Admittedly it was not really mature form my side to paste that line 6 times. I understand that spamming is annoying, but the thing that strikes me here is the fact that apparently he has the right to do it 12 times and if I do the same thing it is worth a ban of a week...

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[2014-01-28 02:24:34] <Andreas> thanks for proving my poit
[2014-01-28 02:25:08] <~alex879ro|playing> useless spamming combined with flashing my name
[2014-01-28 02:25:31] <~alex879ro|playing> not to prove anything.....just to do it + disturbing someone on IRC
[2014-01-28 02:25:31] <Andreas> which was different from what you did in what way?
[2014-01-28 02:25:48] <~alex879ro|playing> no offence...but we`re not gonna get into crazy argument again
[2014-01-28 02:25:55] <Andreas> oh I know, the way where you are netAdmin and I am not
[2014-01-28 02:26:14] <~alex879ro|playing> I pin-pointed a reply which you were claiming I did not answer
[2014-01-28 02:26:37] <~alex879ro|playing> I did it in order to prove that you were claiming a wrong things for 99999th time <---I am sure in your mind it is needed to spam my whole screen to proove a point
[2014-01-28 02:26:45] <~alex879ro|playing> you did it pointlessly <---- No, you proved my point that it is annoying and childish for which I thank you!
[2014-01-28 02:26:58] <~alex879ro|playing> and also, after I told you that the conversation is over
[2014-01-28 02:27:18] <Andreas> yes I am sure you had a valid reason to paste it 15 + times
[2014-01-28 02:28:15] <~alex879ro|playing> I pointed it 12 times
[2014-01-28 02:28:19] <~alex879ro|playing> not 15 + times
[2014-01-28 02:28:27] <Andreas> like that matters
[2014-01-28 02:28:32] <~alex879ro|playing> yes, it does <--- so people, if you want to prove a point 12 lines is ok, 15 is too much (and if it is directed at Alex 6 is too much

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Complaints / Re: Forum behavour
« on: January 28, 2014, 01:23:03 pm »
part 2:
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*cut due to length* Despite that, I tell you that I do not appreciate your tone, and summarize what has been said earlier. You then go ahead and reply with: 'was that so hard'!
Seriously?!
Yes, because I wasn`t being sarcastic....I consider it to be a little ironic perhaps...but not sarcastic. And in nowhere near enough for your reaction. I tried to read your oppinions but I simply had no idea of what you were referring too because I have different criterias of appreciating "low" "high" so, my intention with that comment was to ask you to re-write your oppinions...and not "disregard them" as I saw a bit earlier in your comment.
If it was not hard for me to summarize it, it should not be hard for you to do the same (you do not seem to have trouble getting the information that suits you)
Apparently we have a  different view on what is enough to trigger a reaction. You considered my reply to harsh, I consider your threat to ban me as way to harsh and I also fail to see the need to involve bodily defects into the matter. Different points of view are normal and not a problem at all. The reason that remark annoyed me was that I took the time to summarize it for you and in stead of constructive feedback or a thank-you I get this... About the disregarding part, allready explaned that earlier in this post.

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I perfectly well understood your irony, and I thought it was misplaced. ...*cut* Being negative for no reason does not only insult the people taking part in a discussion, but allso all people reading it and considering to reply or not.
This type of tone is only for people that know me....and with who I`ve had more then a few conversation. This is not for people which I don`t know. Also...the ironic tone was mostly directed on imus, with who those kind of jokes and ironies are normal, but since you both wrote the same way, I adapted it to both. Those types of comments do not mean anything. They reflect a state in which I`m partially amused of how could this happen. They mean no disregard, no casting blames. It was absolutely no blames. I was tired , tried to read your comments...and my head was turning in "low" values and "high" values.
You already explained why you used that tone and we have different opinions on that matter. As I said earlier different opinions are not a problem. I will simply ask you not to use that way of talking when you feel the need to reply to me in the future.
The part about the condescending tone and blame were meant in general and as a reply to you saying that I "answer aggressive whenever I feel attacked". At the bottom of this post I will place some of the examples of what I mean by that.

I know this maybe off-topic, but these are the ways in which I discuss with Imus. I hope that by seeing them, maybe you can understand why I chose to reply in that way.
I appreciate that you try to explain it to me and I already noticed that you consider it proper. The only thing  can say in reply to that is to repeat: please do not use that tone in the future when you reply to me.

I did not ask for them...that`s true...but in your first answers, you told me that you gave me specific answers, but I failed to see them.
To repeat myself: the specific part of my first post was in the beginning of my second post (still there to read).

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At no single point in time did I say that most of the settings were defined. What I did say was that if you only want to tweak individual settings it is better to just mock up a server and test and adjust till you are satisfied. What I was trying to point out is that settings cannot be regarded individually, you have to view them in context, which is why determining the outlines before coming to specific settings is a good strategy. there is no need to tell me that there are different possibilities. I allready know that.
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My point was, and still is that a 30 million goal server can be a medium goal as well. Steamer world already takes 3 hours, with some adjustments, still leaving the goal at 30 mln I can make it last 6 hours for an average player, THAT is my point, just a goal in cash says nothing.

And here you exactly illustrate what I already said: settings influence each other, and have to be viewed in context. That is why shouting just some settings and then making that into a server has a really low chance of achieving what you would like to achieve. It is the same as me saying that with doubling train speed you can double the goal and still do it in more or less the same time. So what are you trying to prove here? Or is this just to show that you understand some game mechanics as well?
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I did not say you have to do that. If you want settings, ask for settings, not for scenarios. If you do not have the time, mood, or whatever for it, ask, and you might just get help. I am more than willing to mock up a game, play around with settings and provide you with a complete config file, and I am quite sure I am not the only one.

So actually, all that, including this:
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-goal: TEST IT: one 30minute game with the settings you want to use for the server will tell all you need to know.
ment that in fact , you`d do a test for me and tell me the result? Then why write it like this "TEST IT" ? Hard to believe this was your original intention....but ok.
Also...I`m not a fan of testing a server a million times before implementation because it wastes a lot of time which I don`t have and can be done much simpler. I doubt that testing server configurations everytime you want to update the settings of a server is something that anybody would want to do.
I did not pretend that "TEST IT" means that I was going to do a teat for you. What I said and what I meant was that if you ask me to, I will consider testing it, just as I replied with settings when you asked me for settings.
About testing a server a million times: I did not say or imply that that was needed in any way. What I did say was "1 game". If you ask a good player to do 1 test (in single player) with the decided settings then you can get a very good idea of what goal is reachable in a certain time frame. That way you can immediately start the server with a realistic goal and settings. IMO this is much less work than changeing a server once it is implemented. (because at that point it needs to be shut down, changed and restarted). Also there are other people that consider tests important. The Btpro you like to refer to have been testing with 1.4.0 for quite some time now to make sure they are ready when the new version comes out.

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So what? What part of what I said inhibits other players of expressing their opinions? And joke or not, there were other ways you could have chosen to express yourself. Now, you call it a joke, a while ago it was irony, I call it sarcasm. Still don't see what this has to do with other opinions.


Irony; joke with irony; Ironic joke - a way in which to express something that doesn`t please you, but in a funny...showing that even if it dis-pleases you, it doesn`t upset you so you`re willing to let the owner of the idea to correct his idea and tell it again. (Done between friends, people who know each other for some time)

Sarcasm: Superior way of treating someone that you consider to be less man than you...or stupider then you. It also goes into association with ignorance. Usable with persons that you do not want to take contact with, but you`re forced to . (Done between different people who regretably meet where one of them (usually the stupidest) tries to prove that he`s superior....so the other treats him with sarcasm)
Thank you for the info about sarcasm and irony. (I have a better example ;) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJp2XAWma_I )

This is still no answer to my question: "What part of what I said inhibits other players of expressing their opinions?" (ps. don't bother to answer it is a rhetorical question)

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Pleas explain what I did that was not polite or understanding? I did not demand anything from you, except that you behave polite. And as I have pointed out a few times earlier: please stop accusing people of stuff you do yourself aswell!
Bothering someone even if there are official ways to contact the admin team is considered impolite. This is what I tried to describe here. I simply tried to ignore that outburst, but afterwards you ask me to be polite. Sorry, but in my oppinion an ironic reply is quite polite....while bothering someone with my own personal problems in the forum with him  is not so polite (My oppinion)
I thought that the irc channel #openttd.chat was the official way to contact the admin team? What outburst? What personal problems?

I honestly think that here you`re entering a world that you do not know, but you consider that seeing a mere fragment of it describes the whole situation.
But since you brought it up, I can offer you the required explanation.

Chucky has been telling both me and Der_Herr about his idea for scoring. Der_Herr has a lot of activities to do and doesn`t always have the time to reply. In that day, both of them were online and Der_Herr replied to me and asked me to test something. Since I didn`t have anytime, but we were in a time crisis because Der_Herr was leaving on vacation till the end of the year, I considered more important to contact Chucky and to ask him to do a test since he insisted a lot about his algorythm. Afterwards there was some bad communication between them (formula was different at chucky then at der_herr) so I asked him to msg it to him. This was an important situation, otherwise the new scoring would not have been implemented until January 1st. I wasn`t polite there and I know it, but I considered it is ok to do it sincer that was an emergency to correlate both Chucky and Der_Herr for the scoring that both of them developed. As a result , after this , they talked on their own and the scoring was implemented and tested.

I did this for a specific purpose, not because Chucky didn`t answer to me, but because they already tried to talk themselves, but when one was here , the other one wasn`t. I knew the whole story...so when I saw them both there, i tried to connect them. I would have helped too, but they caught me with an important project in a moment when I didn`t have time.
Actually this exactly illustrates my point. I considered it polite and proper to alert you that I posted a reply because you had stated that you expected to have time to implement the server on that specific day. Therefore I considered that it was important that you know that I had posted more suggestions. I also only mentioned your name once on irc and when you replied that you would look at it later I did not say anything more about it. The reason I pasted that log of you calling Chucky and Der_Herr was that it was a similar situation imo. I did not pretend that you were in the wrong there, I meant to point out that you say that I am wrong while you do the same thing.

In conclusion: you threatened me with a ban and listed 5 reasons for that. From that 5 reasons only 1 might be an actual reason. The rest is just disagreements/misunderstandings. For the unintended insults: 'Apology' accepted.

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Complaints / Re: Forum behavour
« on: January 28, 2014, 01:22:26 pm »
First of all my reason for replying to your post in the initial s7 change thread was because you (in my pov unjustly) threatened me with a ban and had several 'reasons' for that. (most of which you stated now was a mistake on your side) Therefor I started this topic to reply to those. The reason I did not reply earlier was because I did not want to waste more of my own, or your time on this matter and not to give this thread more attention than it deserves.
Clearly your view on this is different and you expected a reply. I will now give you the reply you asked for.

I am moving on..... but this doesn`t mean I`m not looking at behaviours in the past and comparing them with the current ones. This isn`t "Taking posts apart". This is a normal way of debating....refering to what you actually say.
Indeed refering to what I say is a normal way of debating. By taking all my quotes out of context and putting them in a certain order you create a certain suggestion though. That is what I mean by taking my posts apart. Later on I will give you a few examples how bad misplaced quotes can make a person look.

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I went to far with including "your corrupt" indeed. On the other hand, at that point you  have reacted quite sarcastic to my contributions twice allready!
I guess this is what also angered me and made me ask you about the ban. I never insult someone about the  things that he is born with (Defects of country in which he lives ; Body defects; parent defects) because he can`t change those as much as he would wish. I wish I could change Romania into being a better country....but I can admit to myself that I can`t. I can`t fight a war alone.
If this line was the reason for asking me about a possible ban, then why do you list all other things you quoted as 'reasons'? (To me it seemed, and still seems like you simply dislike the fact that I disagree with you on certain points and took this as an excuse.) Also it was not meant as an insult. In my point of view, you live in Romania, that makes the Romanian government your government, whether you agree with them or not, whether you voted for them or not. I am truly sorry if you were insulted by me saying that they are your goverment though. There is no need however to involve personal defects into this discussion, simply because it was not part of it. (This rather seems like an attempt to make it clear that I am in the wrong here and you would never do such a thing)

I agree with this. Here you are right and I apologise for my behaviour. It was indeed a comment of agreeing and I took it the wrong way.
Glad we agree about this. (Why call it "reason 2" though?)

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To begin with: maybe I should have said: city size, my mistake there I did not have a config file available at the time I wrote that... [Cut because of lenght]...It is hard to discuss the bigger outlines that way though.
Yes, I do agree that I asked for a scenario. But my comment of discussing public rephorma was ment to be taken in a funny way. From it, I wanted you to understand that I`m requesting for you to re-write your suggestions with numbers so I can understand what you`re talking about.
Example: Low population: I can understand that as 2500-4000 population. Imus can understand it 500 to 1000 and so on. Everybody has different value of "low" this is why i posted that comment. If I would have disregarded your oppinion, I would have just said so like I told to imus in the topic about server 7: From now on, I won`t take into consideration any proposal that has "reduce the goal" in it. The purpose of that comment ment that I want to see numbers in order to understand your oppinions and not at all that I`ll disregard them
With disregard in this case I meant that you did not even look at (or at least did not reply to) any of the specifics of the post because you did not like the way they were presented in. You don't like having to figure out settings, I don't like having to figure out what you mean. In stead of trying to be funny you could have asked me what I mean by low. That way we can have a constructive conversation in stead of me having to figure out what you mean.

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Yes please, I would like it if you would point it out to me, because I see nothing improper here... [cut due to length]...  Expecting people to do something you fail to do yourself is not a good point. (and also an argument I have recently seen you use against a player)
In this comment, I was really annoyed by another phrase in your answer that said that I do not have to take your oppinions into consideration. I`m not some kid that asks because he has nothing to do and then he just goes and does whatever he wants. I ask because I can get valuable oppinions from those threads. Also...I gave importance to Imus`s oppinions because this was his favourite server and I hope it will still be. I actually configured the server with him that evening and I tried to comply to as much of his oppinions as I could. So your oppinions do count. You shouldn`t treat it so harsh as to "you can ignore our oppinions" . Perhaps I can do that...perhaps it would save time, but in the end, the players are the ones who play mostly on these server, not me.
You did not give me any reason here why it is improper for me to wonder stuff. Still, you used this as 'reason 3'. (May I assume from this that reason 3 also does not exist?)

I did not say or think that you ask because you have nothing to do. What I said was that you ask a question in a different way than you intended and then pretend that we are the ones that give you useless answers. (if you did not consider them useless, why not reply to them?) We took the time to think about your questions and answer them, just as you took the time to ask. That is why I consider it proper to actually read them. (did you really read them?)

Thanks for explaining your pov on performance in the next part. The question still remains why you considered it improper and why you did not explain it back then or simply stated that you do not consider it part of that discussion.

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What is wrong with this? Imus said that he would like it to be a contest of money making lines, and we discuss about what train number goes together with that goal. This is actually an illustration of the difference between scenarios and settings. Imus thinks train numbers should be 'unlimited' (500 is virtually unlimited in a small server) I think they should be 'limited'. You have to agree, with arguments, on the setting being limited or  unlimited, before you can decide the specific number. If imus just went ahead and said 500 in stead of explaining and I said 25 the same way, nobody would understand the reasons for that, and therefor could not react to that in a constructive way.

As I said, agree or disagree. I honestly fail to see the way this is an example, reason or justification for threatening me with a forum ban for turning things into an argument!
It wasn`t. You replied to me with a lot of anger that you were being specific, and I simply asked you if that is an example of being specific.
First of all this is a lie! You did not ask if this was an example of being specific. You listed it as reason #4 of things I did wrong and that justify you asking me if I want to get banned. You say yourself though that this is not a reason. This brings the balance up to this point to 3 out of 4 reasons being outright bullshit and 1 example where you were offended by the word "your". )

You overgeneralize the specific part here. At no point in time did I say that all of my own or the other replies were specific. What I did say was that all of the specifics mentioned in my second post on that thread (up to the word additionally) were written in the first reply or in the replies of Imus before my second reply. The fact that you did not seem to recognize any of that gave me the impression that you did not properly read them. This is what I meant by disregarding posts just because they are not in the way you wanted them.

What gave you the impression that I replied with anger?

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General / Re: Legal?
« on: January 27, 2014, 10:34:54 pm »
He didn`t "built a big trench along the map" The way you say it makes it look like he carved a valley just for the fun of landscaping. He considered landscaping to be necesary in order for his trains to reach maximum speed. It is not bad will. It`s just not knowing that he doesn`t need it.
First of all, that rule explicitly states (I quote it for the 3rd time now)
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And as big land level changes are forbidden you are only allowed to do small level changes for a rail stretch. Try to avoid digging a big stretch into the map or levelling much land up just to have your rails on the same height level for a full route, adapt to the land height in some bigger steps instead
So this case is explicitly mentioned there. Also this picture: https://wiki.x-base.info/openttd/rules/pictures/file?get=terraforming_no.png (which I got form the n-ice rule pictures) looks a lot like the screenshot that was posted in the first post. That is why imo it is against the rules (at least in the way they are formulated at the moment)

According to him it is a necesary modification...and I can assure that I don`t think he waited that long in order to terraform just for the fun of it.
I understand, that is why I said:
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So in short: yes it is forbidden. It is not considered blocking though, since you are able pass them quite easily. (and they do not seem to be built with the purpose to block.
Personally I think it looks a bit ugly, but if I were an admin and I were called for this, I would probably warn the person to stop it and explain that it is not allowed. Would I reset/kick for it? Probably not...
Note the words "warn" and "explain". (Maybe you are surprised, but am willing to and regularly do share some of my "OpenTTD knowledge" with new players. There are quite some people that will be able to confirm this and also some examples in questions asked here on the forum.)

2: Player decided land modifications(Raising/lowering land for a station or for a section of line...raising or lowering land for a bridge system....for tunnels...for intersections....for cornering .....) There was a huge a debate on weather those things were or weren`t legal. Therefore xOR introduced the terraforming limit and decided: if the player has the patience to do it this way....as long as it is not something at section 1...it`s ok.
This is some really interesting information on the history of the rules of n-ice :). I fail to see what it has to do with the question that was asked in the first post though. I see no bridges, no tunnels, no intersection, no corner...

I consider this idea to solve the disputes since it is an automatic terraforming limit. Admins do not need to intervene if it isn`t something that it is listed in paragraph 1.
As for the rules, I consider they describe the situation quite good. Ofc if we deny them (Andreas considering that those are un-necesary modifications) we will re-start the debate.
Also...not knowing something is different then willingly breaking the rules and there will always be touchy subjects about the rules NO MATTER how we re-write them.
First of all, I did not say (at any point)  that it is un-necesary from that player's pov. Also I have been around long enough to know the difference between willingly breaking the rules and not knowing. That is also why I never said that player should be punished. As mentioned before I used the words explain and warn.

I also know, understand and agree that the rules cannot cover all situations. That is why I suggested to remove that line from the rules. Having a situation explicitly mentioned by the rules, but not enforced just gives room for additional discussion. Suppose Phmadore did call an admin ingame: he was clearly bothered by that line and from the current formulation he might think that it is not allowed. Then he would also not be happy, because he calls an admin for something that is in the rules and yet nothing happens.

That is why I made that suggestion. Now to clarify what I mean:
From my pov there are 2 options (they are only suggestions ofc)
  • Admins should (when called for such a situation) explain that it is not necessary and how it could be done differently. (of course there are lots of inexperienced players on the servers, so no need for punishment if they are willing to listen.
  • Change the detailed rules to something like this:
    Don't make any kind of changes to the land when they are unnecessary for your transports. E.g. don't write logos onto the map or build a large hill to place your HQ on. And of course don't make big land level changes.
There are lots of 'unwritten etiquette rules' in OpenTTD that are not explicitly forbidden, but are followed by most players with some experience and decency. One of those for example is to build double bridges when you cross a track, or warn a player if you cross his road (most even build bridges). Yet I do not see any of those in the normal or detailed rules. That is because the place for guidelines is not the rules (imo). If you want to explicitly mention such things call them "suggestions" or "guidelines for social game play" or something similar.

The only part that I do not understand is where that "immediately" comes from. There is no rush, I am merely making a suggestion.

On a different note, I know the difference between guidelines and rules. That is why I say the place for guidelines is not the rules page. Also there is a big difference between leveling the map and speeding in a snowstorm. Playing OpenTTD (in any way) is unlikely to get you killed (unless you get electrocuted by your own pc or something catches fire or so). About that fining thing: I don't know about other countries, but in the Netherlands you can actually get fined for driving dangerously, even if you break no obvious traffic rules. Also the penalty in such situations is much higher than a simple speeding fine.

Lastly I will try to understand the last post you made, since I see no connection to the thread.
First of all: thank you for your admiration of my knowledge. I am afraid it is too much honor though, there are people around with much more knowledge of game mechanics. Why would I want to flood the world though? I have nothing against stupid people, lots of them simply don't know better. Neither is there a need for everybody to be highly educated. We still need people that have skills in stead of knowledge. Drowning poor people?! Now that is just mean! Rather use the money you were planning on using to flood them for something useful (like maglev routes).

I'm not sure who you mean by "you" in the last sentence, but if you mean me: I don't want all people to think like me, the world would be a very boring place if we all thought the same.

Ps. Was that last post sarcasm or irony? (still not clear on your defenitions of those) Aslo do you consider it proper, or is it filling the thread of a player who had a question with some personal issues?

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General / Re: Legal?
« on: January 19, 2014, 01:23:36 pm »
So if he chose to wait hours and hours in order to terraform his line, then it is his decision. Personally, my oppinion is that he lost time...but..that`s me. According to the rules he did nothing wrong.

If this is the case, I would suggest to change the wording in point 10 of the detailed rules because it quite clearly states:

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10. No unnecessary land modifications
Don't make any kind of changes to the land when they are unnecessary for your transports. E.g. don't write logos onto the map or build a large hill to place your HQ on. And of course don't make big land level changes.
And as big land level changes are forbidden you are only allowed to do small level changes for a rail stretch. Try to avoid digging a big stretch into the map or levelling much land up just to have your rails on the same height level for a full route, adapt to the land height in some bigger steps instead. We got realistic acceleration on the servers, so hills barely slow your trains down.

This is clearly an example of 'digging a big stretch into the map'.

Ps. My reason to suggest this is because I am in favor of keeping the rules as simple and short as possible, and stating that something is not allowed, but is not enforced goes against this principle

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New Server Proposals / Re: Road Only
« on: January 19, 2014, 01:11:18 pm »
The problem with road vehicles indeed is that they don't generate much profit in the base set. You used the Long Vehicles v4 to solve that but using a newGRF on our servers means they will stay near empty. I guess most people don't realize all they have to do is press that "download missing newGRF" button when they can't join a server with newGRF's they don't have yet ...

The problem is more that servers with a newgrf mismatch (missing or outdated) get a yellow dot and are automatically sorted down in the server list. This means that players without the custom client simply don't even see the server.

Now on the subject of roads and planes combined: as of 1.4.0 (stable release can be expected within a few months) Cargodist is included. What cargodist does is provide cargo with a destination that is reachable through your network. This opens up some possibilities for road vehicles combined by planes:

Without cargodist you need to rely on a quite complex order set with transfer orders and so on to get cargo from bus stops in a town/city to the airport. This also means that busses only take passengers to the airport, but drive back empty. With cargodist enabled, you only need to link the busses up with the airports, and transfers are handled automagically :). This means that the airport itself does not even have to accept passengers! you can use the same busses to supply and take away the pax from the airport. This opens up the possibility to set noise concerns real strict (and thus almost forbid airports near towns) and still be able to use airports. (I am planning to play such a game soon and will include some screenshots to explain what I mean)

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General / Re: Legal?
« on: January 18, 2014, 01:29:39 pm »
According to the detailed rules (https://wiki.x-base.info/openttd/rules):

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10. No unnecessary land modifications
Don't make any kind of changes to the land when they are unnecessary for your transports. E.g. don't write logos onto the map or build a large hill to place your HQ on. And of course don't make big land level changes.
And as big land level changes are forbidden you are only allowed to do small level changes for a rail stretch. Try to avoid digging a big stretch into the map or levelling much land up just to have your rails on the same height level for a full route, adapt to the land height in some bigger steps instead. We got realistic acceleration on the servers, so hills barely slow your trains down.

So in short: yes it is forbidden. It is not considered blocking though, since you are able pass them quite easily. (and they do not seem to be built with the purpose to block.
Personally I think it looks a bit ugly, but if I were an admin and I were called for this, I would probably warn the person to stop it and explain that it is not allowed. Would I reset/kick for it? Probably not...

On a side-note: it is possible to cross it with a shorter bridge and without the need to let your trains go up. (since bridges can start on diagonal tiles aswell) see screenshot.

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Offtopic / Re: Other games I play...
« on: January 13, 2014, 01:32:43 pm »
hehe, somebody I know found out that terminating the "explorer.exe" after starting aoe "solved" the color bug. Not really an elegant solution, bit for some reason it worked...

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Offtopic / Re: Other games I play...
« on: January 12, 2014, 11:17:32 am »
Long ago I have, recently I only played it at some LAN parties. It  was hard to make fair teams though because of the huge skill difference :p

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Offtopic / Re: Other games I play...
« on: January 11, 2014, 04:05:19 pm »
AoE 2 still one of the games that is most fum to play :)

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New Server Proposals / Re: CHANGING SERVER 7
« on: December 23, 2013, 01:24:55 pm »
try any option you want as long as it is not #6 or #8 :p

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