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Administration => Ban/Unban Requests => Topic started by: Andreas on February 24, 2014, 11:19:21 pm
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Hi,
I was banned by alex879ro. The reason stated was: annoying people.
Well first of all I never knew that annoying behavior (on IRC) is a reason for a 30 day ban... Also the ban reason seems like a bit exaggerated since I have never got complaints except for alex...
I would like to be unbanned (at least from the game).
Looking forward to hearing a reply.
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Anti-fun behavior (what includes spam, sabotaging, witch-hunting, hateful speech,...) is not a thing we want to see in ours servers! So until you correct yourself you will still banned.
P.S.:One day isn't enough to prove behavioral changes.
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Wow, is all I can say on this amount of hypocrisy...
First of all, as I asked before: what part of that happened ingame? Where and who did I sabotage? What part of telling a person that he is jeopardizing the server safety (in private) is a witch hunt? The only unfriendly thing I said was that he was acting like a little child. After my warning all I got were threats and accusations. If you do not know the full story, don't go spreading wild insinuations in public.
The only spam I ever did was more than a month ago for which I got a ban that ended up taking about 4 weeks. I did not ask to be unbanned from the chat. I asked to be unbanned from the game.
Now please, if you do not want to go against alex879ro rather keep silent than display this kind of sorry insinuations...
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Andreas, you might think about changing nick to ST3 or something like that :D
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Andreas, you might think about changing nick to ST3 or something like that :D
Sorry The_Dude... I'm not a wich, so you can stop the hunting! About the ban... Not my matters.
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Wow, is all I can say on this amount of hypocrisy...
First of all, as I asked before: what part of that happened ingame? Where and who did I sabotage? What part of telling a person that he is jeopardizing the server safety (in private) is a witch hunt? The only unfriendly thing I said was that he was acting like a little child. After my warning all I got were threats and accusations. If you do not know the full story, don't go spreading wild insinuations in public.
The only spam I ever did was more than a month ago for which I got a ban that ended up taking about 4 weeks. I did not ask to be unbanned from the chat. I asked to be unbanned from the game.
Now please, if you do not want to go against alex879ro rather keep silent than display this kind of sorry insinuations...
I don't know where I said you did all of that... Maybe I didn't express myself in the best way, I meant:" we don't tolerate anti-fun behavior. Examples of anti-fun behavior are: spam, sabotaging, witch-hunting, hateful speech, etc. "
I never said you did all of the example. But you did some: spam, witch-hunting ...
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If I did not do those things, I don't understand the need to mention them as examples. Maybe if you are having a hard time to express yourself in English, keep to what is needed. It avoids such misunderstandings.
Now I repeat myself: There was no witch hunt. I tried to solve things in private but got ignored, accused and threatened. That is why I had to take things higher up.
As to the spamming: I already told you that I already got punished for that. Also I don't see a connection between either of those accusations and an ingame ban. (since all of this happened in chat)
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See other thread for info and my explanation on my opinion.
Anti-fun behavior (what includes spam, sabotaging, witch-hunting, hateful speech,...) is not a thing we want to see in ours servers! So until you correct yourself you will still banned.
P.S.:One day isn't enough to prove behavioral changes.
from what I understand he did not do anything wrong in this case. So there is nothing to correct. Getting one day to objectively defend himself could be more than enough to show this.
You are correct in that we do not tolerate Anti-fun behavior but this applies to ourselves as well. Please refrain from putting accusations without knowing the situation in the first place like Andreas is pointing out.
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well,
this unban request started for the reason I well know. but...
some player (not active) tried to start an innuendo on me saying Ândreas to become a ST3.
personally I think that's a wich-hunting... and as Myhorta said, and well, not allowed here.
now.... to clear all the f****king situation... and ppl needs to know:
- alex879ro had/has some public sensible info in a public photo sharing service; (note: still there... remember that - companies keep backups incase of court trials)
- Andreas told about the PUBLIC alex's profile (note: I remind you all: was a public profile and pictures)
- I told Andreas to speak to alex879ro in private to fix that, because was a dangeroues exposure
- I told to Frank the Andreas discover, and was public anyway, EVERYONE could see the pics there
- I, for sure, wouldn't say this to alex879ro, got banned from IRC channels for much less (**saved**)
- So, in the meanwhile.... Andreas didn't knwe I told Frank... and that Frank pocked alex (aka alex879ro)
- I think players don't need to know this - for the leack of "alex879ro" news on website...
- the same way he dont respect server rules (even the current ones) (or future ones if matters ^^)
but well.. quite long, but still continous ^^
- what being "admin" means to alex879ro?
- oh... forgot... what means being "Operator" to you?
and better... can you tell us the real reason for bans?
note: I was banned for 2 weeks for making a question!
Edit:... Sometimes I talk the truth... forgive me for that...
Won't happen again... I hope #not#
hint to all palyers: ST2 roccks ^^
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celebrations, ST2 came to save the day again with his miraculous insight.
I love good flame, so allow me to join.
You again showed how it warmths your heart when you can just hurry up and mock someone.
Especialy when it is Alex making mistakes, it is of course needed to tell everybody dozen times and annoy Alex hundred times about it and we should all wonder why certain people got banned. Why dont we ever learn, that annoy Alex always leads to one end?
I am not active on xbase IRC, so raeding only this forum, it more or less seems to me, that Andreas is kicking around and causing havoc (for example the inconvienient reply to Myhorta). I am saying that only to show, how it can appear to IRC non active people, I am not myself presuaded, that this view can be the true picture.
The witch hunt, Myhorta was talking about, was reffering to constant dirt throwing on Alex from side of certain people (Andreas, ST2, ...), not to banning you two. Pointing out his mistakes may be sometimes justified, but the way and the amount just says, that the problem here is not professional, but personal. And if you both behave this way in your real life, I have nothing but pity for you.
When you know that Alex has bad temper (which you pointed out several times), why do you still keep provocing him? What do you expect will happen? Expecting, that someone will change is silly. It is everyone of us, we have to change our attitude, if we want better results.
Edit:... Sometimes I talk the truth... forgive me for that...
Won't happen again... I hope #not#
hint to all palyers: ST2 roccks ^^
The word 'sometimes' should be emphasized.
And yes, it is important to compliment oneself at the end. Applause to that.
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The_Dude, I am used to a higher level of replies from you...
You again showed how it warmths your heart when you can just hurry up and mock someone.
Especialy when it is Alex making mistakes...
Replace Alex by ST2 in that sentence and this might just be a perfect example of "the pot calling the kettle black..."
Now just a short reply to the alleged witch-hunt: I understand how things might seem and I guess that is just something I need to deal with. Each of my actions towards him has been provoked from his side (imo)... I'll be the first to admit that my topic in the complaints section was started because I personally felt offended by allegations thrown at me. This is quite unrelated though.
If you want to have details or examples ask me and you can get them. I your aim is just to pour a little more oil on the fire: keep it up, it seems to work
@ST2: thanks for telling the truth, but in this case I did not feel that it was needed for me to go into details because I already told the people that need to know and I assume they will deal with it. This topic was started for the reason I mentioned in the first post: I see no relation between my actions and an in-game ban.
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I am sorry to dissapoint you. Not always my bright day :-)
If your aim is just to pour a little more oil on the fire: keep it up, it seems to work
Aye, forgive me. I'll take that lesson, as it is excellent advice. Hope you live up to your own advices too though.
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Fair point and taken. I guess I have to realize better when things are fruitless and just let it be.
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I really did not want to interfere, but slowly it gets out of here and I've no desire to read even more about. Is the chapter not finished? Andreas, enjoy the spring breaks or holidays and after that show to us how you can play in game.
PS: Please forgive me for my english, i´m not a native speaker.
PS2: Do you think it´s usefull to have this kind of signature?
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I agree that it gets a bit out of hand here. This topic could have been closed much earlier though if I got a reply to ONE relevant question. I will repeat it for the fourth time now:
What is the connection between my actions and an in-game ban?
Fact of the matter is that even in this large amount of replies there is no answer to a quite specific question. All I see are some vague insinuations. If I compare that to other topics here this is a big difference. In those topics at least one admin is usually able to give the reason (quite fast).
Unfortunately no spring break for me... No need to apologize for your English, I am not a native speaker either and I am aware that my English is far from perfect aswell.
About the signature, I was made to believe that quote was meant in a friendly/neutral way so I saw no harm in it.
PS. I don't think there is a need to show you how I can play. Most of you have seen me play more than once. In that games I have been warned exactly once. This was in a long run game I was playing with my flatmate for not leaving enough space around a factory. So again, nothing to prove IMO.
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What is the connection between your actions and an in-game ban?
I can hardly judge that, but maybe your actions caused community ban, which means ban from all service?
Like when you make mess in one restaurant of some restaurant's chain and they would not let you to any of their reastaurants?
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... What is the connection between my actions and an in-game ban?
I´m sure that you know that all ingame chat is delivered to the irc channel, so you have the chance to continue that you have done before.
Unfortunately no spring break for me...
I´m so sorry, you have misunderstood me. Read between the rows, i wanted to say enjoy "your timeout".
About the signature, I was made to believe that quote was meant in a friendly/neutral way so I saw no harm in it.
Does it friendly if you repeat a sentence from ONE member in every post you have written?
PS. I don't think there is a need to show you how I can play. Most of you have seen me play more than once...
I´m so sorry, you have misunderstood me. Read between the rows, i wanted to say "please be more a player".
Take it easy and enjoy the weekend, that´s my last answer to this.
Chucky
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Sure I know that the chat is mirrored, not sure what you mean by "what I have done before" though.
Don't worry, I was not under the impression that you were planning on un-banning me.
Do you know how signatures work? I don't repeat anything, it is placed automatically. Since I was told that it was not meant negative I took it as a compliment. If anybody is bothered by it, they can just tell m and I'll change it. Is it bothering you?
I don't understand how I can be more a player. I have never done anything wrong in-game (except for the warning mentioned earlier). Also I regularly help players if they ask a question or so.
Really guys, I don't get why I suddenly am the bad-guy. I finally realize see that everything I say is fruitless though, so I'll give up my appeal.
PS. maybe you guys should hire The_Dude as spokesman. Except for Imus he was the only one that gave a clear reply without insinuations or 'reading between the lines'.
Since he is a global moderator here on the forums I'll just go with his reply.
PPS. This topic can be locked now.
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Since the topic was locked, I feel I can reply now without re-starting an argument. The logs between me and Andreas were analyzed by all the n-ice admins, therefore I consider that every admin has an oppinion based on the logs. I thank every admin that posted an oppinion here supporting or not supporting my decision
I considered that Andreas knew why he was banned, he knew about the risk of getting banned.
[2014-02-24 00:32:28] <Andreas> Now ban me if you want alex879ro
Ban period: 30 days with possiblity of extension because of repeated attempts to avoid the ban and also threats
Reason of the ban: Annoying person who needs a break
Explanation for the reason: Regardless of any type of conversation, the user has been repeatedly warning for not knowing when to stop with the conversations and messages. The user also had a previous ban on the same matter which was partially non-respected (he was never unbanned, but he still showed up in the chat) and has shown no sign of improving that behaviour.The user has continued to spam messages for 2-3 days after the ban, forcing the admin to place him on ignore.
Additional notes: 1)User claims that he wasn`t warned to stop before receiving the ban, even after being ignored by the admin, after angry replies from the admin, still continuing to use the nickname alarm and continued to spam messages even after the ban and attempt to avoid the ban.
2)User claims he does not know why he has been banned on IRC and on the OpenTTD servers
Additional notes from the admin: Andreas, I apologise for believing that you were lying about not telling others. Indeed , you were right.
Final verdict: The admin has made a mistake in not believing that the user was telling the truth and has apologised for that. The reason of ban is on another matter and the period of banning will be 30 days + a possibility of extension if the user continues to try to avoid the ban. Considering that the user has a previous ban because of the same behaviour which was partially non-respected and did not fix the problem, the admin decides to extend the ban to IRC channel and also in-game, considering that a bigger break is needed for this user.