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Administration => Ban/Unban Requests => Topic started by: Cossack on August 26, 2012, 09:09:43 pm
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<Cossack>: alex got VERY butthurt with me
<Geert_de_Grote>: sorry i have to lol ;P
<Cossack>: geert
*** Cossack was kicked by alex879ro (Kick!)
!!! You have been kicked from #OpenTTD
Just shows you need to grow up and sort it out, mate. also, i'd like to see the details of my ban and the screenshots to prove it.
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strange to see my only reaction here :O
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It was just to show that i got kicked for saying he was butthurt, which is completely unjustified.
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Cossack ....perhaps our sadest case...of a player who got very close to the admins and was known as a good player...and who got banned now.
Reasons: Cossack had a lot of patience from admins...because everybody was thinking that he will change. And he did. If you check the forum, you will find posts where you will see that all that attention from admins has given Cossack a lot of trust in himself. A trust that perhaps is not present in most admins.
You can see Cossack arguing 1 on 1 with Yorvex , the server owner who pays for all this and worked for all this more then everyone of us. You can see Cossack asking for credits for saying "My country is hosting the olympics , let`s do it too here" when in fact i was the one who volunteered to supervise the games and to do the changes on the servers while Myhorta started working on a subscription page so Mr.Cossack`s olympics would have a way of subscription.
But in spite of all this, he and his friend Zero Income can`t stop arguing that they got the credits for this, even if nobody cares. You can see words like "credits are nice".Credits for what Cossack? For a tournament that is not organised? But he missed on one thing.... Zero Income can actually speak and act like this cause he is a fair player...(so far that`s what i know) , while our friend Cossack is a true villain in the OTTD world.
1st noticed rule break : Insulting a player by naming a town "Ragul is a cunt" . Just because Mr Cossack cannot stand Ragul, he does things that even the admins do not dare to do. I admin that Ragul can be annoying sometimes, but he`s a kid...and more importantly then that...he`s a player of N-ice.
We said to ourselves...Cossack will learn...that was until the next rule break
2nd noticed rule break: Cheating Rating and trying to get that along 2 admins and managed to do that....but being caught by the third. He built trucks to hold his rating and got caught by ST2 , while me and Batt weren`t informed of such rule breaks by him. Congrats ST2:). Having his company deleted, Mr Cossack started arguing about how harsh was his punishment even if ST2 warned him before about such play.
3rd noticed rule break : Vitalikk , an active player of our server sends us a savegame where Cossack is cloning trains in the depot in order to increase his company value.
Cossack`s reaction on yet another rule break : he was too good, he was just too good. After being told on how the rules are he says"ok, now i understood"
But he never did.....as we can see from his list of rule breaks...He just tries and tries to use tricks.
4th noticed rule break: While jogging through the forum i find yet another warning that Mr Cossack got...right in his introduction topic, ST2 is saying to him :"have fun games on n-ice servers and enjoy, Mr. "1 way tr..." cough cough ...Cossack :P " while Cossack wrote "That tactic is a thing of the past, i play like a saint now :P "
As i clearly pointed out Cossack...the place of saints is not here...
I`ll make a short break here from the list to describe Cossack`s general attitude with a quote that`s also from his introduction topic: "Yeah, it says on my profile i thought you may have seen at some point. But anyway, i've got roughly 12 years TTD/oTTD experience so i guess when it comes to the game i could be considered "older" than most... Ah well, it doesn't stop me being immature on occasions :P"
What makes you think you`re older then the most? You couldn`t even finish server 8 for a lot of time. You learned from "Young Ones" like Geert?
But...to continue...
In the final attempt , I was in server 3.....when witnessing the next situation. Dzkn (a player) was trying to transport some goods from the famous mr Cossack.
When i see Cossack telling him " Don`t take my goods, you can`t catch me ...so not worth taking my goods...I`ll win the game". After that, in a second ....i see that player complaining for being blocked, I investigate and see cossack placing canals in front of him.
I kick Cossack and ban him ...and prepare my justification for the ban. But Cossack can`t stand that. He cannot be banned. He is a saint with a huge attitude that thinks he`s better then everybody . He starts an activity that could be described as trolling admins. He enters IRC talks in a language that I personally consider Insulting. No need to post that...he already did.... Cossack...butthurt is not a word to be used in a normal conversation. And most certain in a civilized conversation against people who dedicate their time to make sure the servers are free of players like you. While being on IRC and waiting for me to write his ban, i heard it all...how this is a terrible injustice...
1st story: he didn`t block at all.... ; 2nd story : he blocked, but removed without being told to 3rd story: what was that..c`mon..just 2 tiles....under a bridge (cause the player made one cause otherwise he couldn`t make his tracks)
Check this forum and you`ll see that it is full of Cossack`s attitudes.
He still considers after all this that a terrible injustice was made against the best player of n-ice.And he awaits the screenshot to say it wasn`t him ...even if another admin saw him....(some attitude, huh?)
I reserve my right for modifying this and adding other rule breaks that i`ll remember since it is quite hard....there are alot of them.
Also Mr Cossack, you should know that when we met, you found out that i`m considered the harshest admin here....Now you`re gonna found out why.
Because I hate people like you.
For the reasons above, I consider Cossack to be a player who does not want to learn, and...since I had the misfortune to judge this case..and I wille ban for 2 months and half.
This is the opinion of Geo, an admin that had nothing to do with the banning of Cossack and who is known as the most patient admin of n-ice, having spent hours with players so she could learn them. Btw...what`s that Cossack...do i see even more rule breaks then what i listed here? Also, St2 said that he`ll be adding some rule breaks too....So mr "Saint" is not so Saint from what we see....but let`s take a look at Geo`s reply first
"he has been doing too many annoying things...first of all insulting other players, and not only ragul...i even told him to have some more patience and respect for the other players and that, many times... the second was with those annoying airports(he had them too), third and so on, he had too many chances... my opinion ofc"
I`m modifying this for the third time to add, so i`ll start numbering modifications :
1: While preparing the log to publish it...i was amazed by Cossack`s first reaction. When Dzkn started accusing him of blocking, he started accusing Dzkn of blocking too.
I would ask him how can someone Block a piece of canal...if that can be called blocking....but i know he would state another lie as i seen before.This wasn`t only intentional...but premeditated. He tried to cover the incident from the admin filter , or at least to look ok and to avoid making admins curios. He tried to make it look like 2 players who accidentally block each other , but let`s have a look at the replies:
[2012-08-26 23:55:33] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): cossac?
[2012-08-26 23:55:34] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): wtf
[2012-08-26 23:55:42] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): blcoking me
[2012-08-26 23:55:44] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): dzkn? wtf are you doing?
[2012-08-26 23:55:54] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): yoou're blocking me
[2012-08-26 23:56:06] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): where?
[2012-08-26 23:56:08] <+OTTD-3> 4L3x879r0 (Spectator): place a sign pls
[2012-08-26 23:56:33] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): hes removing them
[2012-08-26 23:56:39] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): hahaha
[2012-08-26 23:56:42] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): omg
[2012-08-26 23:56:51] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): wtf cossack
[2012-08-26 23:57:05] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): you're not gunna win man, no matter how hard you try, there's really no point in taking my goods ---->> u need true balls to say that in when an admin is watching you and you`re active blocking a player.....But Cossack thought he has it all under control...or was he used to acting like this?
He doesn`t even think that he was followed and thinks that my reply "place a sign" was a message for him to report the rule break. He think that since he is Cossack ...an old player...he also has trust from the admins...
Tomorrow i will publicate the log of tonight...containing Cossack`s show of attitude against admins of N-ice (By his attitude i mean even indicating to an admin what are the worst cases to be banned----->> admins were trained Cossack....and u kinda did all of the rule breaks...)
In the meantime Cossack....your ban will start immediately and will expire on 10 November 2012 01:34:43 (that is if you even care)
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First off, i must say how very clever it is of you, Alex, to cover the incident in question with a message that reads "cannot clear, owned by Cossack Transport" .you can't see it, but there is one rail tile(the rail tile in question) under the bridge which is obviously not blocking. I'm not sure where you got the idea of canals from but i understand that you didn't hesitate to look at what it was you were banning me for before you banned me so it's cool.
But anyway, this all stems from that thread on the forum. One game, a few days ago, that Zero guy asked me to back him up in his terraforming thread and naturally i obliged. I asked if he'd do the same and he said he might which is fair enough. A day or two later i checked the forum and saw that the discussion had quickly blown up into an argument, Zero was defending me which was nice of him :) I'll admit, i didn't really care that you'd started a new thread entitled mad olympics, infact i said "But meh, whatever, i don't mind. The fact that you've made a new thread just means we might actually have a competition to compete in instead of it just being an idea :)". I didn't think, in the end, it would boil down to this. I'm going to be honest, i didn't really understand your reaction when i said having some credit would be nice. I thought it was a little over the top but i thought that was the end of it, considering i'd made an offhand remark. Then the next thing i know, i'm in a game, and i say hi to you and you just ignore me. I'm thinking "wtf have i done?" especially when i displayed the rules and you said "brown shut up" - and then i realized, he's mad at me for the forum! wow! I honestly didn't think you or anyone would take anything written on there so personally. The fact that you did, i apologize. I never intended for such an obscene reaction.
Well, i should probably disprove most of the things you've said because they're all, at best, highly biased half-truths;
-"You can see Cossack arguing 1 on 1 with Yorvex" lol, where? Not once have i done that (Not that, if it came to it, i wouldn't argue with him. if i were him i'd get frustrated with everyone if they blindly agreed with everything i said all the time, arguing is sometimes a good thing!)
- "he and his friend Zero Income can`t stop arguing that they got the credits for this, even if nobody cares." No offence to Zero here, but we're hardly friends (you're a nice guy though, we just have only ever played in the same game once). Also, it was Zero that brought up credits, i simply remarked, as you said, that "credits are nice". Who wouldn't appreciate credit once in a while? I honestly don't see what's so bad about it, even if i wasn't making a fuss. Also, change 'nobody' to 'i'.
-"Cossack is a true villain in the OTTD world." I'm going to put this on my profile, i know you're totally being serious though :P
-" naming a town "Ragul is a cunt" Yeah, fair enough. I wasn't doing it to purposefully offend him, and i didn't offend him, it was just a little joke we had because i wouldn't tell him where my city was so i named it that. needless to say it was a nice surprise for him :P and to be honest, i don't think Ragul is that bad(despite all the bad karma i gave him), although by the sounds of it you do " I admin that Ragul can be annoying sometimes" (notice the typo at the beginning of this quote too, Freud would have something to say about that)
-" but he`s a kid...and more importantly then that...he`s a player of N-ice" I think you're forgetting that i'm a kid too and i'm (or atleast was) a n-ice player too!
-" He built trucks to hold his rating" well actually, i accidentally sent a goods train to my oil dropoff whilst upgrading and i built the trucks to send the goods to the right place. I think we all know how frustrating it is when something like this happens and we just- like i did- try to make the best out of a bad situation.
-"3rd noticed rule break" - Read for yourself, i honestly didn't know it was against the rules and i haven't done it since.
-" Mr. "1 way tr..." cough cough ...Cossack :P " Haha, i'm not gunna lie, i've got no explanation for this one as i did do it to to get an advantage. but i'm pretty sure i was already banned by ST2 for a day for this! not to mention all the times he reset my company!
-"What makes you think you`re older then the most?" I've played this game for over 2/3rds of my life. "You couldn`t even finish server 8 for a lot of time." not the first time, but i finished it the second time and got in top 10 highscores for that map overall. But anyway, this thread is about me getting banned, you bringing this up is completely irrelevant. It looks like you've just dredged up anything you could find on me to make me look bad. which, if i'm honest, speaks volumes about your character.
-"the place of saints is not here..." that's good, because according to you i'm "a true villain in the OTTD world".
-"When i see Cossack telling him " Don`t take my goods, you can`t catch me ...so not worth taking my goods...I`ll win the game". After that, in a second ....i see that player complaining for being blocked, I investigate and see cossack placing canals in front of him. " this whole sentence irritates me, why would i block someone and continue to block them if there was no point? Yes, i admit i blocked him for about five seconds, but i removed the one rail that was still blocking him before you even joined the game. You didn't hesitate to ban me though, because you were still angry because i said it's nice to get credit for your ideas.
-"canals" that's just an outright lie. I used rails. This just shows that you'll say anything to give the perception that i'm somehow evil when i'm totally not :P
- "trolling admins. " Why do people keep on calling it trolling when someone states an opinion they don't agree with?! this is really bugging me now! if i were trolling i would have spammed "jews did 9/11" over and over again or something.
-"butthurt is not a word to be used in a normal conversation" for me it is. Unless i'm at school or at work (neither of which i attend) but we're not at school or at work. We're friends on a game, why is it so unacceptable to use the word 'butthurt' on an IRC channel? I'm pretty sure the word 'butthurt' has been used more on IRCs than anywhere else on the internet! Also, how the hell can you take offense to a word a that means 'to be offended'. that's like saying "i'm offended that you said i was offended!" How ridiculous is that?!
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The fact my response to my ban is so extreme and that i was so eager to defend myself just shows how much i still want to play here. I love everything about n-ice. I love the game itself, i love the admins, i love servers, i love the other players and i just love how much fun i have here. There's no dispute that the n-ice servers are the best on the game and i can't really comprehend not being able to play here for two and half months. I understand my ban, and i accept that i have been banned. The one thing i beg of you though, my ban is extreme, i feel that i deserve atleast a week or two but a few months?! i've never insulted or offended anyone! (or atleast i haven't tried to) Cossack is a friendly guy! The real Isaac Rye is a hateful loner, if you knew me in real-life you'd think that Cossack is much improved!! and for this, i beg you guys, can you please reduce my ban? I love playing here and i wouldn't swap it for anything.
thanks,
Cossack.
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You don`t seem to understand the fact that what i wrote there are certainties....(i mean the rule breaks especially) confirmed by 4 or 5 admins....
Again, you don`t seem to accept the fact that you were monitored tonight....and that i saw all that u did...yet u think someone covered that picture?
You were caught....4 or 5 admins agreed and yet still u say that i set up the picture? ST2 confirmed that he saw too what u did...and yet still i`m the one lying?
About the forum incident....you defending Zero Income and him defending you? So this is why we opened the forum? So you could get what u want and also defend Zero Income so he could get what he wants?Doesn`t matter if good or bad changes occur...Cossack must get it...after all...he is Cossack....our most special player (according to him) Placing a train track for 5 seconds? the rules don`t say that....and u didn`t place it for 5 seconds...since i waited after i kicked you out and screenshoted so i saw what was there. So i would advise you to stop lying , otherwise ur ban won`t be a few months, but permanent...I`m not the first admin to have told you that, am I?
-" naming a town "Ragul is a cunt" Yeah, fair enough. I wasn't doing it to purposefully offend him, and i didn't offend him, ------>>> Oh really? U really think that? And the fact that Ragul asked for your ban probably hasn`t reached your ears....but that is also probably a lie...in fact Ragul loves you. That`s why he asked for your ban because "insulting him"
-" He built trucks to hold his rating" well actually, i accidentally sent a goods train to my oil dropoff whilst upgrading and i built the trucks to send the goods to the right place. I think we all know how frustrating it is when something like this happens and we just- like i did- try to make the best out of a bad situation. ----->>> again a situation where 3 admins were there : me, Batt and ST2 and still he argues that he tried to do other things...even if he played like that for 30 minutes. ...For 30 minutes he was accidentaly sending goods trains...
-"canals" that's just an outright lie. I used rails. This just shows that you'll say anything to give the perception that i'm somehow evil when i'm totally not :P --->>. again....saying that 2 n-ice admins lie (You made 1 canal in the river in front of the player and rails. You used the rails for 5 seconds cause i was in the server and you knew that...and for that you`re still guilty. But you forgot about the canals.....I exploded all those tiles under the player`s bridge and the last was that tile. P.S. You really think i started modifying screenshots for you? You`re not that important. But you get your tip about what u built when DZKN says that he didn`t realise what happened ...he thought he wasn`t allowed to build cause he got disconnected....why wouldn`t he realise that in front of him was a rail. But no...he was talking about the canal...since he tried to blow up the river too...and couldn`t...but didn`t start checkin every tile.....Only after that realised that it was a canal...
I will continue with the explanation of the conversation before you were kicked....But i`m sure ur gonna deny that too....
Everybody has something with you....But you`re a saint...you were set up...and all the rule breaks you did so far were in fact not rule breaks...You know what????
I`m beginning to get really tired of your comments. If you think that u can face 4 admins that confirm you must be banned and 2 admins that clearly saw you....you must be out of your mind.
Also Butthurt is a word you use...?? Too bad...I don`t... and most civilized people don`t....Today u learn that u should not have used either.
P.S. We`re not friends....no way no how...Never been friends..Never will be at this rate...
P.P.S: Words of St2 about what happened : [04:55] <@ST2> but my brain stopped at that moment seeing Cossack doing that
[04:55] <@ST2> after all the time I've spent talking to him and explaining things...
Makes you think doesn`t it? about what was the opinion on you? We actually thought you were gonna learn...
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[2012-08-26 23:55:33] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): cossac?
[2012-08-26 23:55:34] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): wtf
[2012-08-26 23:55:42] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): blcoking me
[2012-08-26 23:55:44] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): dzkn? wtf are you doing? <<--- Trying to act the same to cover up the admin filters...
[2012-08-26 23:55:54] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): yoou're blocking me
[2012-08-26 23:56:06] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): where?
[2012-08-26 23:56:08] <+OTTD-3> 4L3x879r0 (Spectator): place a sign pls
[2012-08-26 23:56:33] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): hes removing them
[2012-08-26 23:56:39] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): hahaha <<<---- laughing about the whole situation ...not even bothering to deny..
[2012-08-26 23:56:42] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): omg
[2012-08-26 23:56:51] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): wtf cossack
[2012-08-26 23:57:05] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): you're not gunna win man, no matter how hard you try, there's really no point in taking my goods <<<---admiting why he blocked
[2012-08-26 23:57:11] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): dude
[2012-08-26 23:57:11] * +OTTD-3 * # 4L3x879r0 (#596/74.86.197.160-static.reverse.softlayer.com [188.27.176.90]/RO) has started company 13 ()
[2012-08-26 23:57:13] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): ur blocking me <<--- I`m surprised on how patient was this player....probably didn`t knew him
[2012-08-26 23:57:13] <+OTTD-3> 4L3x879r0 (Dark Green): !cv
[2012-08-26 23:57:22] * +OTTD-3 * <x> 4L3x879r0 (#596/13 (Dark Green)/RO) has changed his/her name to alex879ro
[2012-08-26 23:57:25] <+OTTD-3> oneshortplanck (Purple): !cv
[2012-08-26 23:57:38] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): !kick Cossack
[2012-08-26 23:57:39] <+OTTD-3> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has kicked player Cossack
[2012-08-26 23:57:39] * +OTTD-3 * <--- Cossack (#569/host109-157-202-162.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.202.162]/9 (Brown)/GB) has left the game (kicked by server)
[2012-08-26 23:57:52] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): ty
[2012-08-26 23:57:53] * +OTTD-3 * ---> Cossack (#601/host109-157-202-162.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.202.162]/GB) has joined the game
[2012-08-26 23:57:53] * +OTTD-3 * >> Cossack (#601/host109-157-202-162.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.202.162]/GB) has joined company 9 (Brown)
[2012-08-26 23:57:55] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): hey alex
[2012-08-26 23:58:00] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): he blocked and removed my signs
[2012-08-26 23:58:03] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): for that u will be banned cossack
[2012-08-26 23:58:24] <+OTTD-3> Cossack (Brown): i know you must be on your period or something, but would you like to tell me why did that and can you tell me wherwe i'm blocking him? <<<<---- That`s the way Cossack talks with an admin after he breaks the rules....the nerves to do that...huh?
[2012-08-26 23:58:31] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): !kick Cossack
[2012-08-26 23:58:31] <+OTTD-3> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has kicked player Cossack
[2012-08-26 23:58:31] * +OTTD-3 * <--- Cossack (#601/host109-157-202-162.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.202.162]/9 (Brown)/GB) has left the game (kicked by server)
[2012-08-26 23:58:42] * +OTTD-3 * !! dzkn (#558/1 (Red)/NO) has placed a sign: "here ur blocking" - at 144x141 (0x11A90)
[2012-08-26 23:58:42] * +OTTD-3 * ---> Cossack (#603/host109-157-202-162.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.202.162]/GB) has joined the game
[2012-08-26 23:58:42] * +OTTD-3 * >> Cossack (#603/host109-157-202-162.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.202.162]/GB) has joined company 9 (Brown)
[2012-08-26 23:58:43] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): see my sign
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <@alex879ro> !ban 109.157.0.0/16 Cossack - Insulting <<<------Making the first ban so i could gather evidence and decide the banning period
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-5> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-1> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-6> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-6> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-4> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-4> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-2> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-2> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-3> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-3> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-5> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-7> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-7> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-1> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-8> OK, banning 109.157.0.0/16.
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] * +OTTD-3 * <--- Cossack (#603/host109-157-202-162.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.202.162]/9 (Brown)/GB) has left the game (kicked by server)
[2012-08-26 23:58:48] <+OTTD-8> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has banned player <undisclosed IP address> for the reason: Cossack - Insulting
[2012-08-26 23:59:01] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): i`ll modify that in a second
[2012-08-26 23:59:02] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): yea
[2012-08-26 23:59:07] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): let me take some screenshots
[2012-08-26 23:59:11] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): so i can add them as a reason
[2012-08-26 23:59:12] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): how did u see it? <<<----- he didn`t eve spot what was left of the block after cossack tried desperately do delete it so he could deny the whole thing....but didn`t knew that he forgot 1 canal piece.
[2012-08-26 23:59:14] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): for his ban
[2012-08-26 23:59:32] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): i`m admin
[2012-08-26 23:59:35] <+OTTD-8> jax10 (Orange): but only with oil <<<---Offtopic reply forgotten by me....i`m an idiot huh?:))....This can happen after some time with players like Cossack
[2012-08-26 23:59:35] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): it`s my job
[2012-08-26 23:59:36] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): yeah
[2012-08-26 23:59:36] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): :)
[2012-08-26 23:59:42] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): but i couldnt even see
[2012-08-26 23:59:43] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): it
[2012-08-26 23:59:49] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): took me 1 min to figure it out
[2012-08-26 23:59:54] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): why i couldnt build
[2012-08-27 00:00:00] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): i got experience with those stuff...beside....i knew how cossack plays
[2012-08-27 00:00:09] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): =) ty
[2012-08-27 00:00:12] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): !resetcompany 9
[2012-08-27 00:00:12] * +OTTD-3 * X Cossack Transport (9/Brown) has been closed (Reset requested)
[2012-08-27 00:00:12] <+OTTD-3> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has reset company 9 (method: failnonempty)
[2012-08-27 00:00:14] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): np
[2012-08-27 00:00:30] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): so...to rephrase his reply...he wasn`t gonna win:)
[2012-08-27 00:00:40] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): I wish you a pleasant game:)
[2012-08-27 00:00:43] <+OTTD-3> alex879ro (Dark Green): and play fair
[2012-08-27 00:00:47] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): ty
[2012-08-27 00:00:49] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): thought he was ok
[2012-08-27 00:00:54] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): and just did a mistake
[2012-08-27 00:01:00] *** Cossack (~6d9dcaa2@ircip4.mibbit.com) joined <<<--- Cossack entering IRC so he could face me....
[2012-08-27 00:01:02] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): but then my signs went away =(
[2012-08-27 00:01:09] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): thought my client lagged or something lol
[2012-08-27 00:01:12] <Cossack> hey alex
[2012-08-27 00:01:12] <+OTTD-3> dzkn (Red): he removed them instant <<<--- Realising what happened ...
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Yes, i didn't completely deny that i blocked. I blocked for five seconds and removed the tile in question so he could continue building before you even joined then game. The one tile i left was the tile under a bridge, which, like i said before, you've covered with sign and wasn't blocking in that screenshot. there is no visible rule break in that screenshot, yet you've banned me for two and half months because of it. How is that fair? Look, i don't want to argue, because you've said everything you've got to say and if you say anything else you're just repeating yourself. There is one last person here that could help me, the most important person here, xOR. xOR, i beg of you, please read Alex's prosecution and my defence, see for yourself and maybe, just possibly, consider reducing my ban? I received two and a half months for that screen dump. Also, in the logs it says my ban was for insulting, but in the logs i don't use any insults. This is unfair and a total injustice :( I feel that Alex wanted revenge over the whole 'credit' thing. and he already told me to shut up before for no reason :(
p.s yes, i didn't use canals, i used rails so it is a lie.
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Can you please stop saying i built canals when i didn't. It doesn't matter what you say, i blocked him with rails and i accept that. Not once, ever, did i use canals and the fact that you persist to say that i did either shows that you're wrong by accident or you will say anything you possibly can to get me banned because you hate me. simple as that.
p.s i'm sorry that i angered you so much, your reaction to my actions was inconceivable upon committing them. I feel like you've got a real grudge over me and i accept my ban. i just feel two and a half months is completely unjust when compared to my actions. i would NEVER insult one of you guys, i like you all. and yes, even you alex, after all of this.
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See attached image ;)
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kadar...
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after alex879ro's post, not much to say, despite the fact that Cossack knew the rules he was breaking, which justifies further alex's actions. He knew the nasty tricks, therefore I won't speak of them...
But I'll leave a question for Cossack: How many times you've been warned to don't repeat several rule breaks you've made?
Including the time (lost, literally) explaining Cossack why some action was breaking the rules he managed to repeat them. So, in my opinion, worse then a player that don't know the rules, is a player that knows them but don't care about it (at least in their style of play). Cossack fits on 2nd option.
Although a good player, concocted by his childishness in the eagerness to win every game. Therefore, he can only blame himself to be in this position.
Just shows you need to grow up and sort it out, mate. also, i'd like to see the details of my ban and the screenshots to prove it.
First off, i must say how very clever it is of you, Alex, to cover the incident in question with a message that reads "cannot clear, owned by Cossack Transport" .you can't see it, but there is one rail tile(the rail tile in question) under the bridge which is obviously not blocking. I'm not sure where you got the idea of canals from but i understand that you didn't hesitate to look at what it was you were banning me for before you banned me so it's cool.
I was ingame and I saw it. So, I don't need screenshots and neither Cossack needs them - tracks were from him -, so it's better you follow your own advices. Before there's a bridge there, there was ONLY your tracks in the end of red player. Red player had even to remove 1 tile of his track to build the bridge.
-" Mr. "1 way tr..." cough cough ...Cossack :P " Haha, i'm not gunna lie, i've got no explanation for this one as i did do it to to get an advantage. but i'm pretty sure i was already banned by ST2 for a day for this! not to mention all the times he reset my company!
Consider the actual ban from myself too because, as I said, I was ingame and I saw it and I was astounded with your attitudes despite all the time I've spent to explain several things to you. And all other words below only justifies the ban.
Now on a language that Cossack can understand: m8 dafuq, with all da s**t you made bro? yo... what u want?
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Losing arguments Cossack? And starting to make your portrait as a victim? What about the other rules....where 2-3 admins witnessed rule breaks of you....each time 2-3 admins lie? But i`m sure you tell the truth.
You think i finished my arguments? Oh no.....i`m just starting....but i`ve also got to sleep....But not to worry...tomorrow i`ll post more and more arguments about you.
You really think you can get out of this one?
What about getting banned cause of that dump? Is this another civilized language?
Total injustice? Are u sure that u understood the part about 4 admins agreeing on your ban? About the rules breaks that u made? Not only today. Do not try to tell me that i`m blind..cause it won`t work. Oh...forgot Batt...he saw that too...so that`s 5 admins.....maybe 6. U really need more?Even if those were players...not admins...i would still shut up...
As for your story about me wanting revenge on you...no... Me being upset? yes....but don`t worry...i know how to respect the admin code and i never let anger in front of my judgement. If you ask me today...tomorrow...the day after tomorrow...my opinion will be the same...2 months and half.
i'm sorry that i angered you so much, your reaction to my actions was inconceivable upon committing them. ----->>> getting sentimental won`t work....
i would NEVER insult one of you guys, i like you all. and yes, even you alex, after all of this. ----->>>> i see....well, the conversation that i`ll post tomorrow will seal this phrase....if the posts that u already made haven`t done that yet. You liking me? or having respect with me....no no....i`m just an idiot who make screen dumps...
As i said...not to worry...more proofs will come...but need time until i filter them all.
P.S. Should I repeat myself about using the rails for 5 seconds cause i was in the server and using the canal cause it was harder to trace? Do us both a favour please and read the posts with attention...otherwise I will stop answering...
Also...i advice you to watch what ur saying and not throw in those posts all kinds of replies without a purpose....cause tomorrow i will post the log containing the discussion between you , me, st2, geo, kadar and everybody who was in the channel in that moment. :) So think before speaking:)
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i fell like i have to say something...in reply to cossack also :D
1. U DESERVED IT...u've been warned too many times, even i have warned u a few times, for several little mistakes and this time u crossed the line...
2. U DARE ASK FOR A SMALLER BAN???! i guess u're offended that we(or alex, since ur problem is with him) DID ban you...how could we do such a thing?! we must be crazy...-probably this is what u think...
3.U SAY U LOVE the n-ice community<<-then tell me the reason u go and do things against us(the n-ice community)
4.ALEX CAN'T BE POSSIBLY MAKING UP STORIES, and u know why? because EVERY admin has the right to go and watch the logs...so, i we can watch EACH AND EVERY MOVE U MADE IN THE GAME...we don't even need to be there, just to write some stuff on the irc and we can easily tell what u did in the entire game.
5. i have patience with the players, u should know by now that i do, but for now do me a favour: just SHUT UP and STOP WHINING(I was so pissed off of you last night that i wanted to at least kick you from irc, but alex told me not to<<-u still try to say that he has something against you???!
U WERE WRONG AND THAT'S THE END OF THE STORY! U CAN COME BACK WHEN UR BAN EXPIRES.
PS: we are human beings too, we have feelings too, we may be annoyied by players, but we won't kick/ban a player just because we got up on the wrong side of the bed, we need good reasons and u gave us lots of them through all this time.
i hope u do LEARN something from this
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Yes, i didn't completely deny that i blocked. I blocked for five seconds and removed the tile in question so he could continue building before you even joined then game.
that's what you do. you don't admit. instead you "don't completely deny". you don't say you won't do it again either. you would rather just accept the ban and beg for a shorter sentence instead of saying sorry (is it because of pride? your honor?).
apart from that, am i missing something here? the rules say "Don't block other players" and "(...)placing obstructions in front of where others are currently building" and nowhere is a sentence "but blocking only for 5 seconds is OK" nor is there any similar way of time limitation. your intention, as you show in your message "you're not gunna win man, no matter how hard you try, there's really no point in taking my goods" is making it worse, as it is directly running against our whole competition philosophy, which you know we are taking serious on our servers.
there is no visible rule break in that screenshot, yet you've banned me for two and half months because of it
why do we need a screenshot anyway when several admins and a player witnessed your actions? this is not a court, but even if it was, you would have committed the crime directly in front of the judge...
There is one last person here that could help me, the most important person here, xOR. xOR, i beg of you, please read Alex's prosecution and my defence, see for yourself and maybe, just possibly, consider reducing my ban?
which reason did you give me to? again, if this was a court your degree of penalty would be tied to how much regret you show and whether you had other law(here=rule) violations in the past. now it isn't a court but i feel they're way of handling it makes sense.
and you still haven't shown any sign of regret for that specific case and you already have a past with rule violations. you knew what you did was violating the rules, still had the boldness to do it in front of admins on the server and still have the boldness to, instead of saying sorry, "defend" something that is clearly against the rules. but there is no defense for that. active blocking is forbidden. especially for players we can expect to know the rules it means an immediate ban (before we had the tempban feature we simply permabanned for that) while a completely new player is likely to get a second chance when he says sorry and promises not to do it again.
This is unfair and a total injustice :( I feel that Alex wanted revenge over the whole 'credit' thing.
these conspiracy theories were already strange on the other thread: saying someone wanted to present your idea as his when it is visible how you came up with the idea first, as the thread created by you exists for everyone to be seen and never was hidden. also i would have mentioned it when the event was announced on the news, but you chose to complain about it already when we were far away from that stage.
but now taking this as an argument for why you think you got banned (that long) is just outright ridiculous. yeah , the whole world is against you, everyone but you is evil, whatever...
Also, in the logs it says my ban was for insulting, but in the logs i don't use any insults.
so asking a person you know is a male whether he has his period was only to show him your appreciation, right? you know we aren't sensitive to strong language itself. problems arise as soon as your sentence also contains a "you" or a name or any other way of directly addressing someone
it's quite interesting that you're exactly going on about "butthurt", because it makes you look like you know you personally insulted him before, read the description on urban dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ButtHurt) for example:
An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."
a final word on your idea that i would just override the decision other admins have made: you can see this thread is full of admins that support the ban as it is. if i wouldn't be trusting the other admins enough to properly make such decisions i could as well do it all myself. our whole organization wouldn't work.
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Are the bans always this long? If I were banned for 2 months and a half I probably wouldn't return or is that the idea?
Shouldn't a ban be a punishment to be learned from? Or is it just to keep a player away?
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I will continue now with the post of the IRC Conversation with Cossack to show his "respect" for admins and the love for n-ice that he has.
00:01:00] *** Cossack (~6d9dcaa2@ircip4.mibbit.com) joined
00:01:12] <Cossack> hey alex
00:01:18] <Cossack> would just like to say
[2012-- 00:01:20] <Cossack> GROW UP ------->>>> First sign of affection (that`s how you begin a conversation on Irc....but I guess Cossack is special)
[2012-08-27 00:01:29] <@alex879ro> cossack...that was active blocking
[2012-08-27 00:01:31] <@alex879ro> end of story
[2012-08-27 00:01:34] <@alex879ro> i wish you goodbye
[2012-08-27 00:01:39] <Cossack> i didn't block --------->>>> Ofc...you thought about that before...blocking, then removing the rails....but forgot about the canal
[2012-08-27 00:01:43] <Cossack> show me the blocking
[2012-08-27 00:01:46] <@alex879ro> lol...don`t try to lie..
[2012-08-27 00:01:46] <@ST2> PS: I saw it too
[2012-08-27 00:01:55] <@ST2> so Cossack... no need
[2012-08-27 00:01:57] <@alex879ro> i got the printscreens...
[2012-08-27 00:01:59] <Cossack> screen dump and show me the block ----->>> Already shouting instructions to admins
[2012-08-27 00:02:00] <@geo_ro> ouch
[2012-08-27 00:02:04] <Cossack> ok, show me
[2012-08-27 00:02:05] <Cossack> also
[2012-08-27 00:02:09] <@alex879ro> don`t worry...will be on the forum..
[2012-08-27 00:02:14] <@alex879ro> 7ack
[2012-08-27 00:02:14] * +OTTD-7 * !! Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has acknowledged the admin request.
[2012-08-27 00:02:14] *** [1]Kadar (~Kadar@cblmdm72-240-161-191.buckeyecom.net) joined
[2012-08-27 00:02:15] <@alex879ro> geo
[2012-08-27 00:02:17] <@alex879ro> can u go?
[2012-08-27 00:02:20] <@ST2> 7ack
[2012-08-27 00:02:20] <+OTTD-7> Cannot acknowledge, current admin request has already been acknowledged.
[2012-08-27 00:02:21] <@geo_ro> yes
[2012-08-27 00:02:23] <@alex879ro> ty
[2012-08-27 00:02:28] <@alex879ro> 7say geo will take it
[2012-08-27 00:02:39] <@alex879ro> i`m kinda busy fixing cossack`s ban
[2012-08-27 00:02:43] <@ST2> 7screen 0x1544B
[2012-08-27 00:02:43] <+OTTD-7> Screenshot available at: http://openttd.n-ice.org/server7/screenshots/0x1544B.png
[2012-08-27 00:03:13] <@ST2> 7screen 0x1544B
[2012-08-27 00:03:13] <+OTTD-7> Screenshot available at: http://openttd.n-ice.org/server7/screenshots/0x1544B.png
[2012-08-27 00:03:28] * +OTTD-7 * ---> 4L3x879r0 (#580/188.27.176.90/RO) has joined the game
[2012-08-27 00:03:28] * +OTTD-7 * >> 4L3x879r0 (#580/74.86.197.160-static.reverse.softlayer.com [188.27.176.90]/RO) has joined spectators
[2012-08-27 00:03:46] <Cossack> i made one little off-hand remark about wanting some credit on the forum and in response i get a torrent of drivel from you and xor about how dare i ask for credit and such forth. why did you guys kick up such a fuss? earlier you wouldn't even call me cossack you just called me 'brown'. now you've found the first excuse you can find to ban me because i.... ----->>> A little off hand-remark? He wanted credit for something that`s not done and argued until the bitter end on the forum...until i got sick of that subject. But ofc...that must be the reason to ban the mighty Cossack, not the list of rule breaks that he continues to make
[2012-08-27 00:04:31] <+OTTD-7> 4L3x879r0 (Spectator): fugi si schimb-o
[2012-08-27 00:04:37] <+OTTD-7> 4L3x879r0 (Spectator): ma ocup eu aici
[2012-08-27 00:04:39] * +OTTD-7 * # 4L3x879r0 (#580/74.86.197.160-static.reverse.softlayer.com [188.27.176.90]/RO) has started company 13 ()
[2012-08-27 00:04:40] *** Kadar quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
[2012-08-27 00:04:43] <Cossack> ... andgered you? wow, i'm the youngest one here, a kid, yet you're the one acting like one? how old are you again, 24? jesus christ, act like it man and don't take every little thing you read sooo seeeriously ------>>> I thought u said u can be considered older then the others.....
[2012-08-27 00:05:29] <+OTTD-7> 4L3x879r0 (Purple): !kick Lacerda
[2012-08-27 00:05:31] * +OTTD-7 * <x> 4L3x879r0 (#580/13 (Purple)/RO) has changed his/her name to alex879ro
[2012-08-27 00:05:32] *** [1]Kadar changed nick to Kadar
[2012-08-27 00:05:35] <+OTTD-7> alex879ro (Purple): !kick Lacerda
[2012-08-27 00:05:35] <+OTTD-7> Admin alex879ro (Account 'alex879ro') has kicked player Lacerda
[2012-08-27 00:05:35] * +OTTD-7 * <--- Lacerda (#571/217.129.161.141 [217.129.161.141]/9 (Brown)/PT) has left the game (kicked by server)
[2012-08-27 00:05:51] <Cossack> honestly, you even went as far as to destroy some really good constructive thinking by deleting that thread out of anger. man, compose yourself ----->>> good constructive thinking? I thought all of that was your magnificent idea.....and i just wanted to assume credit for it...now it was good constructive thinking?
[2012-08-27 00:06:14] <Cossack> i honestly think the way you've acted is seriously immature
[2012-08-27 00:06:33] <Cossack> you acted like you were younger than me
[2012-08-27 00:07:05] <@alex879ro> Cossack....you blocked...end of story ----->>> trying to make him realise the gravity of the situation....
[2012-08-27 00:07:18] <@alex879ro> st2
[2012-08-27 00:07:18] <Geert_de_Grote> does cossack have a ban?
[2012-08-27 00:07:21] <@alex879ro> yes
[2012-08-27 00:07:24] <Cossack> yes geeert
[2012-08-27 00:07:28] <Geert_de_Grote> lol :P
[2012-08-27 00:07:28] <@alex879ro> active blocking ---->>> the reason
[2012-08-27 00:07:31] <Cossack> alex got VERY butthurt with me ----->>> this for Cossack is an official way of talking when discussing a ban
You know Cossack...let me tell you the harsh reality...we don`t know each other...we`re not friends...we never met....we didn`t even talk for 2 hours maximum.
[2012-08-27 00:07:33] <Geert_de_Grote> sorry i have to lol ;P
[2012-08-27 00:07:40] <Cossack> geert
[2012-08-27 00:07:41] *** Cossack was kicked from #OpenTTD by alex879ro (Kick!)
[2012-08-27 00:07:48] * +OTTD-3 * <--- Lacerda (#605/217.129.161.141 [217.129.161.141]/9 (Brown)/PT) has left the game (leaving)
[2012-08-27 00:07:55] <@ST2> well, I saw it.. and yes, was very intentional
[2012-08-27 00:08:01] <@alex879ro> st2
[2012-08-27 00:08:07] <@alex879ro> u saw that thing in the screenshot?
[2012-08-27 00:09:11] <Geert_de_Grote> alex?
[2012-08-27 00:09:14] <@alex879ro> ?
[2012-08-27 00:09:18] <Geert_de_Grote> in about an hour you can change s8
[2012-08-27 00:09:23] <@alex879ro> hmmm..
[2012-08-27 00:09:27] <@alex879ro> if xor is here...
[2012-08-27 00:09:37] <Geert_de_Grote> oke
[2012-08-27 00:09:38] <@alex879ro> most probably tomorrow
[2012-08-27 00:09:46] <Geert_de_Grote> xor is now here?
[2012-08-27 00:10:20] <~xOR> Geert_de_Grote sorry, i won't be here in an hour anymore
[2012-08-27 00:10:27] <~xOR> we'll do it tomorrow or so
[2012-08-27 00:10:38] <Geert_de_Grote> oke
[2012-08-27 00:10:45] <@alex879ro> no hurries geert
[2012-08-27 00:10:51] <@alex879ro> tomorrow it will be done
[2012-08-27 00:10:55] <@alex879ro> 3say ai schimbat-o?
[2012-08-27 00:11:03] <+OTTD-3> bunny (Spectator): dax(
[2012-08-27 00:11:04] <Geert_de_Grote> im done in 3 years
[2012-08-27 00:11:08] <Geert_de_Grote> that is 40 minutes?
[2012-08-27 00:12:03] *** NotCossack (6d9dcaa2@ircip3.mibbit.com) joined
[2012-08-27 00:12:40] <NotCossack> wow, butthurt isn't even insulting in any way, shape or form. how silly. ----->> again...judging the situation from only his point of view...
[2012-08-27 00:12:54] <@alex879ro> cossack...keep insulting
[2012-08-27 00:12:59] <@alex879ro> ur just makin ur ban bigger
[2012-08-27 00:13:04] <NotCossack> sorry, where did i insult you?
[2012-08-27 00:13:10] <NotCossack> i didn't, not once ------>> Then i guess that u always ask people if they`re on their period?
[2012-08-27 00:13:53] <@alex879ro> cossack, rules are rules..
[2012-08-27 00:14:06] <NotCossack> look dude, i know you got upset because i said it would be nice to have some credit for my idea, i'm amazed at how worked-up you've gotten over it! ------>>>> Cossack, first of all I am not "dude" with you . 2nd of all You should be amazed on your change and that your appetite for rule breaks has grown larger and larger.
[2012-08-27 00:14:07] <@alex879ro> from what u did on the forum...i stopped talking with you
[2012-08-27 00:14:11] <@alex879ro> that`s why u were brown
[2012-08-27 00:14:18] <@alex879ro> but active blocking is banned immediately
[2012-08-27 00:14:26] <NotCossack> it's ironic. i'm the one with the ban but really you're the one who needs a time out. ---->>> No offence ...but that is not up to you. There are people which are evaluating my performance. But you`re not one of them.
But yet again, why do I need a time out? For catching you active blocking?
The second half of the conversation will be posted in a second
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The second part of the conversation with Cossack in which he shows his love for N-ice and the respect for admins...
[2012-08-27 00:14:34] <@alex879ro> :)))
[2012-08-27 00:14:39] <NotCossack> what did i do on the forum? NOTHING
[2012-08-27 00:14:45] <@alex879ro> then go ahead..complain
[2012-08-27 00:14:46] <+OTTD-7> CP (Red): !login alex5194
[2012-08-27 00:14:51] <NotCossack> i made one off-hand remark about wanting some credit.... ---->>> Yes Cossack....You still cannot understand what u did...Your rule break was active blocking....The forum had nothing to do with it... Unless you started your active blocking on the forum....:)
[2012-08-27 00:14:58] <@alex879ro> 7say check the website again
[2012-08-27 00:15:01] <@alex879ro> 7say and change ur pass
[2012-08-27 00:15:07] <@alex879ro> 7say u shouldn`t write it on the chat
[2012-08-27 00:15:18] <@alex879ro> cossack....forum is not a problem here
[2012-08-27 00:15:26] <NotCossack> it is for you, bro ------>>> Cossack`s way of talking....
[2012-08-27 00:15:28] <@alex879ro> but breaking the rules repeatedly
[2012-08-27 00:15:40] <NotCossack> did you post the screen dump?
[2012-08-27 00:15:42] <@alex879ro> you already had a warning....
[2012-08-27 00:15:48] <@alex879ro> no worries..i will
[2012-08-27 00:16:09] <@alex879ro> beside...ur day of challenging admins with that tone when in fact ur nothing but a rule breaker are over
[2012-08-27 00:16:16] <NotCossack> i know you just wanted to find the first excuse you could to ban me because you took what i said on the forum REALLY personally
[2012-08-27 00:16:30] <@alex879ro> haha...even if i wanted that.. ---->>> The obvious truth....u made a huge rule break.....
But ....rest assured...i can`t manage my attitude so forum had nothing to do with it...but the list of rule breaks...and your attitude towards them...
[2012-08-27 00:16:33] <@alex879ro> i got it...
[2012-08-27 00:16:39] <@alex879ro> so....no need for anymore words
[2012-08-27 00:16:47] <@alex879ro> active blocking is the badest rule break
[2012-08-27 00:16:58] <@alex879ro> and also ..it`s not the first time u break the rules
[2012-08-27 00:17:03] <NotCossack> but if you look at the screen dump, i wasn't blocking anyone ---->>I thought you said you did block for 5 seconds....now u didn`t? Or were those the seconds before or after the block? According to your opinion it is very important to settle this detail
[2012-08-27 00:17:16] <@alex879ro> so if i were you......i would hope for a smaller punishment
[2012-08-27 00:17:25] <NotCossack> am i permabanned?
[2012-08-27 00:17:28] <@alex879ro> oh...yes cossack...u think arguing is gonna get u out of this one?
[2012-08-27 00:17:37] <@alex879ro> no...tempban for a month minimum
[2012-08-27 00:17:42] <NotCossack> no, i guess i'll just have to wait for you to calm down --->>> You know...you should watch the trial of the Ceausescu husbands. You will find there how a dictator who ordered the army to shoot in the population and who starved his people is considering that the judge has something against him and that he did nothing wrong. Search it on the internet....
P.S. He was also considering that he didn`t break any rules....because he considered himself above the rules and a father of the Romanian people.
[2012-08-27 00:17:58] <NotCossack> you've banned me for a month?
[2012-08-27 00:17:59] <@alex879ro> and adding the 2 insults....probably 2 months ---->>> After final check of the logs...only 1 insult...but a huge attitude when talking to an admin....actually having the nerves to acuse of conspiracy and trolling....and not wanting to admit rule-breaks and no regrets
[2012-08-27 00:18:04] <@alex879ro> yes
[2012-08-27 00:18:23] <@alex879ro> and guess what....you`re on our list for a long time
[2012-08-27 00:18:34] <@alex879ro> we have just been patient cause u were a nice guy..
[2012-08-27 00:18:35] <NotCossack> i'm keen to see these screendumps. also, i'd like proof of these so-called "two insults" you just mentioned --->>> You ask everyone if they`re on their period? Also...do you say about everyone that they got butthurt?
[2012-08-27 00:18:42] <@alex879ro> and we thought you were gonna change
[2012-08-27 00:18:50] <@alex879ro> you will get your proof...not to worry
[2012-08-27 00:18:56] <@ST2> I would take the same action that alex did... because I saw it too... ---->>> Thank you ST2!
[2012-08-27 00:19:19] <@alex879ro> do not forget how many warnings you had cossack
[2012-08-27 00:19:25] <@alex879ro> we got all of that in the logs..
[2012-08-27 00:19:52] <NotCossack> no, ST2, he only reacted so badly because of the little hissy fit he had over me wanting some credit for a positive contribution to the community. His over-reaction is truly pathetic ---->>> Voila! The true attitude and judgement of Cossack. You know mr Cossack, ST2 has a longer experience of being admin then you got playing.... But that doesn`t matter to you...... You still think you are better then everyone and wiser....Also describing the reaction as pathetic is a sign of affection, isn`t it?
[2012-08-27 00:20:14] <@alex879ro> cossack.....go ahead....
[2012-08-27 00:20:15] <NotCossack> would love to see em'
[2012-08-27 00:20:19] <@alex879ro> say all you want...
[2012-08-27 00:20:29] <@alex879ro> as i said...you`re just making ur ban last longer..
[2012-08-27 00:20:29] <NotCossack> i've said pretty much all i wanted to say
[2012-08-27 00:20:35] <NotCossack> but
[2012-08-27 00:20:41] <NotCossack> NONE OF IT WAS INSULTING --->>> if nice tone doesn`t work..let`s use shouting...why not?
[2012-08-27 00:20:55] <@alex879ro> my post in the forum will settle this
[2012-08-27 00:20:57] <@alex879ro> don`t worry
[2012-08-27 00:20:58] <NotCossack> nothing i've said has broken any rules
[2012-08-27 00:21:50] <@alex879ro> oh yes cossack
[2012-08-27 00:21:57] <@alex879ro> i`m sorry but saints do no belong here
[2012-08-27 00:22:02] <@alex879ro> this is a human server
[2012-08-27 00:22:06] <NotCossack> I find it amusing that you'd ban one of your most active players over something so pathetic ---->>> Again...Cossack revealing his true thinking . Again i`ll make a reference to watch the Ceausescu trial....
[2012-08-27 00:22:39] <@alex879ro> =))))
[2012-08-27 00:22:46] <Geert_de_Grote> hm
[2012-08-27 00:22:49] <@alex879ro> first of all: Geert is our most active player
[2012-08-27 00:22:51] <@alex879ro> and the best
[2012-08-27 00:22:58] <NotCossack> Like o said, one of
[2012-08-27 00:23:46] <NotCossack> but seriously though, Alex. you won't even acknowledge the fact that you've banned me because i angered you over one silly off-hand remark
[2012-08-27 00:24:11] <@alex879ro> 2nd: your reason is the worst rule break u can make
[2012-08-27 00:24:18] <@alex879ro> active blocking is banned immediately
[2012-08-27 00:24:19] <NotCossack> no it's not
[2012-08-27 00:24:23] <@alex879ro> yes it is..
[2012-08-27 00:24:28] <NotCossack> surely
[2012-08-27 00:24:33] <NotCossack> !rules *
[2012-08-27 00:24:37] <NotCossack> doesn't work in here :(
[2012-08-27 00:25:05] <NotCossack> racism, insulting or sabotage are worse than what i've done ---->> Damn, he is so good that he started writing his own admin code....and now he is teaching and giving advices..
But i`m sure that being racist to a player , insulting (which u did) and sabotaging are far worse then actually not letting a player build his rail
[2012-08-27 00:25:15] <@alex879ro> actually they`re not
[2012-08-27 00:25:18] <NotCossack> have you posted on the forum, yet?
[2012-08-27 00:25:34] <@alex879ro> cossack...your days of acting like ur the most important here are over..
[2012-08-27 00:25:42] <@alex879ro> trust me...after this evening..they are over
[2012-08-27 00:25:45] <NotCossack> I don't act like that in slightest ---->>> Ofc not...how could we think such a thing about you? :|
[2012-08-27 00:25:52] <@alex879ro> oh yes...
[2012-08-27 00:26:01] <NotCossack> how exactly?
[2012-08-27 00:26:05] <@alex879ro> saying what rules are more important...
[2012-08-27 00:26:15] <@alex879ro> saying that u made a small rule break
[2012-08-27 00:26:20] <NotCossack> no
[2012-08-27 00:26:22] <NotCossack> i said
[2012-08-27 00:26:23] <@alex879ro> asking me to post on the forum..
[2012-08-27 00:26:26] <NotCossack> I DIDN'T BREAK THE RULES --->>> Ofc not Cossack....still didn`t do anything? All admins that posted here ...and the screenshots..and the players are lying huh?
[2012-08-27 00:26:35] <@alex879ro> insulting and saying that those weren`t insults
[2012-08-27 00:26:38] <NotCossack> I DIDN'T ASK
[2012-08-27 00:26:45] <NotCossack> YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT STUFF
[2012-08-27 00:26:49] <@alex879ro> conversation is over cossack....
[2012-08-27 00:26:55] <@alex879ro> you`ll find the reasons on the forum..
[2012-08-27 00:26:56] <NotCossack> haha
[2012-08-27 00:26:58] <NotCossack> wow
[2012-08-27 00:27:01] <NotCossack> wow, just wow
[2012-08-27 00:27:20] <NotCossack> you interpret the word 'butthurt' as an insult?
[2012-08-27 00:27:26] <NotCossack> it means to feel insulting
[2012-08-27 00:27:29] <NotCossack> *insulted
[2012-08-27 00:27:34] <NotCossack> how is that insulting?!
[2012-08-27 00:37:29] <NotCossack> alex, when ya' gun' post on the forum?
[2012-08-27 00:39:16] <@alex879ro> @cossack will be there in max 30 minutes.....first got to finish the internal topic...for ban
[2012-08-27 00:39:32] <@alex879ro> then i will post it public since u asked that ---->>> watch the timer of my reply and his reply at 01.57
[2012-08-27 00:39:37] <NotCossack> ok, thanks
[2012-08-27 01:57:36] <NotCossack> hi alex, i'm still waiting for a response --->>> 18 minutes passed....
[2012-08-27 01:57:55] <NotCossack> alex879ro ---->>> using my filter to call me .....Cossack...this is trolling....I tell you to wait and check it on the forum...and you use my admin filter to call me..
[2012-08-27 01:58:12] <@alex879ro> if you`re gonna use that name tag again, i`ll kick you again
[2012-08-27 01:58:26] <NotCossack> it was to get your attention and it worked
[2012-08-27 01:58:49] <@alex879ro> you don`t have the right to call me...not after the last few days..
[2012-08-27 01:59:21] <NotCossack> you said you'd post your reasoning on the forum within half an hour about two hours ago ---->>> Cossack`s reply after 20 minutes.
[2012-08-27 01:59:22] <NotCossack> also
[2012-08-27 01:59:51] <NotCossack> "after the last few days" - you joker, you really took that little tiff on the forum personally, didn't you?
[2012-08-27 02:00:01] <NotCossack> it was nothing
[2012-08-27 02:00:30] <@alex879ro> you still don`t want to learn...do you?
[2012-08-27 02:00:39] <NotCossack> whut
[2012-08-27 02:00:47] <@alex879ro> you don`t seem to realise that me and st2 agree on your ban
[2012-08-27 02:00:53] <@alex879ro> you just want to make it permanent
[2012-08-27 02:00:59] <@geo> me2
[2012-08-27 02:01:04] <@geo> i agree with it
[2012-08-27 02:01:05] <@alex879ro> instead of admiting that you deserved this
[2012-08-27 02:01:13] <@alex879ro> 2 admins saw what u did..
[2012-08-27 02:01:21] <@alex879ro> a third admin knows the other rule breaks
[2012-08-27 02:01:24] <NotCossack> i reserver the right to defend myself like anyone else would ---->>> Cossack, defense would actually mean saying something good in your defense , not making it worse....
[2012-08-27 02:01:26] <@alex879ro> and yet still u complain...
[2012-08-27 02:01:35] <@alex879ro> u lost that right a long time ago .. ---->>> Rule breakers don`t have the right to abuse my time
[2012-08-27 02:01:42] <@alex879ro> i doubt that anyone will support you
[2012-08-27 02:01:49] <@alex879ro> but...have patience
[2012-08-27 02:02:00] <@alex879ro> you don`t pay me...so no right to abuse my free time
[2012-08-27 02:02:04] <@alex879ro> conversation over again..
[2012-08-27 02:02:26] <@alex879ro> P.S. you`re not the first player with attitude that i`ve banned
[2012-08-27 02:02:39] <@alex879ro> that picture from the rules section was made by w1lz...banned by me
[2012-08-27 02:02:45] <@alex879ro> also a player with attitude
[2012-08-27 02:02:52] <NotCossack> let me guess
[2012-08-27 02:02:55] <@alex879ro> check out his desperation
[2012-08-27 02:02:58] *** [1]Kadar (~Kadar@cblmdm72-240-161-191.buckeyecom.net) joined
[2012-08-27 02:03:18] <NotCossack> he realized it was better elsewhere, and that's why he hasn't come back ---->>> Cossack, is this the way u like the n-ice server? I thought u said they were the best...
[2012-08-27 02:03:21] <@ST2> Cossack, if alex didn't banned you... I would
[2012-08-27 02:03:31] <@ST2> that's a nasty kind of blocking
[2012-08-27 02:03:40] <NotCossack> the thing is
[2012-08-27 02:03:44] <NotCossack> i removed the block
[2012-08-27 02:03:48] <NotCossack> without being asked
[2012-08-27 02:03:50] <NotCossack> THEN
[2012-08-27 02:03:52] <@alex879ro> oh...i`m sure of it....
[2012-08-27 02:03:52] <NotCossack> you banned me
[2012-08-27 02:04:01] <@alex879ro> not to worry, the screenshot says different..
[2012-08-27 02:04:23] <@alex879ro> but ...rest in peace...until we all read what i got to say about the ban
[2012-08-27 02:04:25] <NotCossack> let me guess, there's one piece of track under a bridge and that's it?
[2012-08-27 02:04:29] <NotCossack> a month.... for that? ---->> Actually 2 and half months for active blocking, insulting, rating cheating, company value cheating, route cheating...attitude versus admins, not wanting to admin anything.....no remorse feeling...
[2012-08-27 02:05:05] <@ST2> well, actually was 2 pieces of nasty blocking style... and weren't removed
[2012-08-27 02:05:21] <NotCossack> no, the one that was blocking was removed
[2012-08-27 02:05:34] <@alex879ro> cossack, you don`t seem to understand that everything you say will be used against you
[2012-08-27 02:05:37] <@ST2> and for your atitudes here Cossack, you're trying to win a perm one? ---->> 2nd admin who tells you this..
[2012-08-27 02:05:40] <@alex879ro> and that ur close to perma ban
[2012-08-27 02:05:44] <@geo> i see different in the screenshot
[2012-08-27 02:05:54] <@alex879ro> you absolutely don`t seem to realise
[2012-08-27 02:06:11] <@alex879ro> rules are rules...for everyone
[2012-08-27 02:06:26] <@alex879ro> i tried to break the rules..and i got kicked...
[2012-08-27 02:06:33] <@alex879ro> and i learned from that kick
[2012-08-27 02:06:35] <@alex879ro> a lot!!
[2012-08-27 02:06:41] <NotCossack> if i got permabanned, what next? i might actually do something with my life like getting a job or something ---->>> Again...showing his attitude...
[2012-08-27 02:06:45] <@alex879ro> but was a much lighter rule then yours
[2012-08-27 02:06:48] <@alex879ro> ok then
[2012-08-27 02:06:50] <@alex879ro> go ahead..
[2012-08-27 02:06:51] <@alex879ro> get a job
[2012-08-27 02:06:56] <@alex879ro> nobody holding you here
[2012-08-27 02:07:20] <@alex879ro> i didn`t call to ask you "hey, how ur doing?"
[2012-08-27 02:07:30] <@alex879ro> you were the one to say that u wait for the reason of ban
[2012-08-27 02:07:34] <@alex879ro> for the 3rd time
[2012-08-27 02:07:39] <NotCossack> so i can defend myself
[2012-08-27 02:08:10] <NotCossack> and so everyone can see (in my opinion) the injustice
[2012-08-27 02:08:28] <@alex879ro> =))
[2012-08-27 02:08:32] <@alex879ro> u really got balls..
[2012-08-27 02:08:43] <@alex879ro> unfortunately balls are not needed here....
[2012-08-27 02:08:48] <NotCossack> balls? these are merely words on a screen
[2012-08-27 02:08:51] <@alex879ro> in fact they are even worse...
[2012-08-27 02:08:59] <NotCossack> 1's and 0's --->>> u know u can get a job as a writer....it would be a start
[2012-08-27 02:09:06] <@geo> just wait, u will have the chance to tell us ur opinion about the ''?ustice''
[2012-08-27 02:15:38] <@Kadar> okay lets ignore all this and move on to something more important :)
[2012-08-27 02:15:57] <@geo> night
[2012-08-27 02:15:58] <@geo> :)
[2012-08-27 02:16:06] <@geo> sleep is important too ---->>> most important reply of the evening :)
[2012-08-27 02:16:07] <@geo> :P
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Are the bans always this long? If I were banned for 2 months and a half I probably wouldn't return or is that the idea?
Shouldn't a ban be a punishment to be learned from? Or is it just to keep a player away?
Usually bans are a week...2 weeks. But if you add up those periods for Cossack, then you come up with something like 2 months. Then, it is admin`s decision if a smaller or a bigger period should be issued... I issued another half month over the 2 months because he lies....he tries to deceive...he denies it all....he shows no remorse....he knew the rules and still broked them repeatedly.....because of the attitude he had against that player....and in the end...cause of his attitude for admins.
That`s why the extra half-month. And also cause of the fact that he had way too many chances....i added all his rule breaks. No reducing the ban cause of that
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Are the bans always this long? If I were banned for 2 months and a half I probably wouldn't return or is that the idea?
not every ban is that long - but longer bans also exist, up to permanent bans which are really meant to keep a player away. temporary bans are meant to give someone a chance to change and come back, although we are aware that long tempbans can lead to a player deciding not to ever show up again.
however, what is usually practiced is that a player gets a long ban, says sorry, states his intention not to break the rules again and gets his ban shortened (or for less severe cases even removed).
for anyone else the long ban sort of justifies itself.
Shouldn't a ban be a punishment to be learned from?
sure, so react to a long ban by showing you won't break the rules again instead of going thousand weird ways of trying to justify (or at least mitigate) it. but if you don't do that there is no indication to anyone outside your head that you are actually learning from it. this is how you even turn a temporary ban into a permanent ban. there is no use to allow a player in again who states "i don't care for the rules/don't accept them, never will" by his actions (or words). if we'd be doing that we could as well remove the rules and let the servers become a war zone.
so far the only indication that Cossack knows he was doing something wrong was his statement that he accepts the ban (except that it is too long in his opinion). but that was only an indication and from someone who is really explicit with all his other statements i won't accept that he expects us to read between the lines of his texts.
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Well the IRC chat looks like he was angry and frustrated and talking without thinking, he was also being faced with a month to 2 month ban which probably didn't help him think straight.
I advise Cossack to cool off and come back with a clear head. I advise the admins to see this for what it is - He is 17 and this looks like typical behavior for that age. Also prolonging his ban by so much based on the insults / rant on IRC I find a little unjust since he obviously wasn't thinking straight. His judgement was clouded by his anger.
I do see that he didn't really show remorse though so ... the ban is justified. Just 2 months... and a half! It's a long time.
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Well the IRC chat looks like he was angry and frustrated and talking without thinking, he was also being faced with a month to 2 month ban which probably didn't help him think straight.
I advise Cossack to cool off and come back with a clear head. I advise the admins to see this for what it is - He is 17 and this looks like typical behavior for that age. Also prolonging his ban by so much based on the insults / rant on IRC I find a little unjust since he obviously wasn't thinking straight. His judgement was clouded by his anger.
I do see that he didn't really show remorse though so ... the ban is justified. Just 2 months... and a half! It's a long time.
He told me that i need out. Yet you were the one who angered me the most on forum....i must admit that...Me giving the whole thing up was because of your arguing....But yet again...u don`t see yourself banned....So i know how to behave....
From my point of view....anger should not be considered in this topic. I was angry too for him activating my filters....It was like "Oh...you don`t want to answer....not to worry, i`ll make you." But yet again....i answered all his questions .
If somebody comits a crime cause he was angry.....i don`t see the judges lowering his punishment just because he was angry. And beside....only the half month is for the attitude. Would be better to think why he got the 2 months first and act accordingly. Perhaps if he did that, he wouldn`t have gotten the 2 weeks extra.
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He told me that i need out. Yet you were the one who angered me the most on forum....i must admit that...Me giving the whole thing up was because of your arguing....But yet again...u don`t see yourself banned....So i know how to behave....
Don't worry I know you're eagerly waiting for me to make a mistake.
From my point of view....anger should not be considered in this topic. I was angry too for him activating my filters....It was like "Oh...you don`t want to answer....not to worry, i`ll make you." But yet again....i answered all his questions .
If somebody comits a crime cause he was angry.....i don`t see the judges lowering his punishment just because he was angry. And beside....only the half month is for the attitude. Would be better to think why he got the 2 months first and act accordingly. Perhaps if he did that, he wouldn`t have gotten the 2 weeks extra.
Actually in real life criminals follow into anger management courses and when they show improvement do benefit from a sentence reduction (Not during the first trial though). But that's real life and this is a game.
I was just trying to put it into context.
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Don't worry I know you're eagerly waiting for me to make a mistake.
I am sorry if you think that . I`m not waiting for any mistake.
Beside...you are not Cossack....you haven`t broke the rules repeatedly.
Yes, i`m sure that anger management is usefull, but not in my opinion. Some people can hold their anger...and some do not...
I think that anger behaviour being forgiven is not fair for people who control themselves. It`s like giving the guilty person a reason to behave like that...saying...oh...poort guy...he`s just angry. But we`re already deviating from the topic.
Since Cossack hasn`t showed any remorse, but yet again trying to impress everybody, I see absolutely no reason to reduce his ban. And yet again think about the fact that 2 admins saw his rule break and he was still denying it. 3 admins saw how he used the trucks to cheat the rating and he is still denying it. I`m sorry but that`s no way to answer from the guilty position in which he is. Understood your advice, agreed with your comment that he has to clear his head. His anger is not my problem. Perhaps it would help you to see how other people face the bans. Check out the other topics in the ban/unban section.
Tip: Take a look at Lacerda. See his attitude before finding out that we`re gonna lift the ban for him. He says he`s sorry, promises he won`t repeat that again and says he`s ready to comply to the rules. And yet again , he didn`t know the rules...it was his first time playing here. On the other side we got Cossack who knew the rules since he was playing here for quite some months...but thought that he can always get away with the rule-breaks.
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ZeroIncome, we do not hunt down players. we have other important things to do in our free time...
If u are playing by the rules, we have nothing against you/or any other player. We do not hold grudges and do not put our personal feelings ahead of our admin work... this is my opinion, ofc, but i can say for sure that the other admins will agree with it.
And, if i think a bit...u just met Cossack, or so i think... so u do not know how many times he has broken the rules, or do you know that? did he tell you how many times he had been warned for many ''little'' mistakes?
my personal opinion is: he should be glad that he didn't get a permanent ban, but this isn't my decision, so...i will agree to it, just as it is :D
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Well, it looks as if that is that. I would like to remind you all, however, that you must have been skim reading as i did infact apologize. Maybe once more you could read my defense. It doesn't matter now though, i have been dealt my punishment and i must pay. I, once again, apologize to you all. I honestly didn't think you'd all take this stuff THAT seriously. As you like to remind often it's not a job you do, it's a hobby and i feel that sometimes you all forget that. In the end we all here for fun and games and yes, i admit, i wasn't always fun and games and i know you all resent me for that but you've all got to be honest, we've all had some great times together. some hilarious moments were had and i thank you all for the experience. So, here it is, two and half months of exile. I'll probably spend some time over at BT.pro, it looks pretty soft out there so hopefully i'll be tearing up the opposition once more. Oh, and one more thing before i go; I'll be back. and when i'm back, i'll be back with a bang.
with love,
Cossack.
p.s IRL should be interesting over these next two months, no doubt i'll be back with some good stories to tell you all.
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"I would like to remind you all, however, that you must have been skim reading as i did infact apologize" ---->>> The same attitude that got you banned....everybody is wrong...you are right....no matter what u do. I am sorry Cossack , but with this attitude you can`t expect anything good.
Sorry for the ban but I hold my opinion....DESERVED.....We`ll see you in October then...
P.S. If you consider yourself the exiled saint....you`re wrong...but ...i know that this reply won`t change your opinion since a million others didn`t manage to do that..
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I would like to remind you all, however, that you must have been skim reading as i did infact apologize. Maybe once more you could read my defense.
you have apologized for alex taking it personal and you said sorry that you angered alex so much. other than that i have found nothing from you when searching for "sorry", "excuse" or "apologi" on this thread. but this is only one side, what about the rule break? defending yourself is not apologizing.
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Well the IRC chat looks like he was angry and frustrated and talking without thinking, he was also being faced with a month to 2 month ban which probably didn't help him think straight.
i am quite sure he is happy for you to run for his cover, but that's an interpretation ("he only did it because he was angry") not even he himself has given so far. and as alex has pointed out i don't see how this would be an excuse either. many players get angry when an admin warns them or even take actions. what do you want to tell us, we should stop warning players?
the only good solution is simple: players shouldn't break the rules, then admins will leave them alone.
it's also a bit paradox to state "admins are watching me and only waiting for mistakes" on one hand and on the other hand doing something you clearly know is forbidden when several admins are on the server. either he has lied about that he really thought he was being watched or he wanted to provoke an action against him so he could act like "see i told you, there is a conspiracy against me". the latter happens quite often btw, the rules are clear but when they are enforced against a player the reaction is often something like "why me?"or "you have been waiting for this", even by players that haven't been on our servers before. next thing they do is try to desperately search for rule breaks other players have made ("why don't you warn him? he is also doing...").
all this is daily business for us, listen to all players who have broken the rules and they will assure you of the personal grudge we must have against them and how we are just evil and randomly mock players.
maybe it could just have to do with the fact that the player has broken the rules? noooooo, everything, but not that!
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yeah i liked that scene 8)
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i am sorry, i erased the link... i wanted to quote :|
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n07RZoacneA
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=))))))))))))) I was sure he would do that:))))))
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Err hi, It's October now and i was banned in August. Any chance i'm allowed to play here again?
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two and half months the ban is. it was said earlier and you have seen it.
There's no dispute that the n-ice servers are the best on the game and i can't really comprehend not being able to play here for two and half months.
to speak in exact dates here's the entry from our ban list:
alex879ro "Cossack(UK) - Reasons described on the forum in the Unban Section", Ban date: 08/27/2012 01:34:43, Expires at: 11/10/2012 01:34:43
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See you in 4 days :D
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the format is MM/DD/YYYY, not DD/MM/YYYY
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See you in 4 days :D
ahhw, now I almost feel bad for the guy...
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i am not :D
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See you in 4 days :D
ahhw, now I almost feel bad for the guy...
me too :)
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ahhw, now I almost feel bad for the guy...
me too :)
Well, that would explain why record-breaking games on k2 didn't give me any points which is a shame but oh well! Also, no need to feel sorry for me guys, i've been playing at BTpro and those servers are probably the best on the game! And n-ice, i get the impression they get more traffic than you guys nowadays, probably because they don't ban half the people that play there and the admins don't have as much of a superiority complex as over here. It's a much more chilled environment and there's no "gestapo" admin atmosphere. (So a tip for anyone who isn't in the n-ice circlejerk, come find me at BTpro's servers #4, #5 & #6, and we can have a hassle-free game!) But anyway, i guess, see you all in a month! I just really want to own the highscores sheet for k2, i could easily have the entire top10 scores if i wasn't banned :/
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1st of all: You`re banned....so don`t you think that it is a bit ironic to complain that it is not fair to disable your scoring?
2nd of all: If Btpro is so good....and N-ice are gestapos, why constantly try to come here?
3rd of all: I gave you some advices...but i see you chose to ignore them, but no worries....keep on trying to enter the servers by having your ip changed and i`ll switch the bans from temporary to permanent. In that case you`ll be able to stay your whole life in the chilled environment without gestapo admins that is BtPro.
P.S. Instead of throwing lines, you should know that N-ice and Btpro have a different vision....and different roles....but i don`t think you`ll understand the concept..
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Hi Alex, it's been a while, glad to see you're as happy as ever :P
1.Didn't complain
2.Only tried a couple of times to play on k2
3. a)You came and told me to apologize to get my ban shortened. I'm not apologizing, i'm just going to wait til my ban is over. I am regretful as to my actions, however.
3. b)i don't know how or why my IP changes. It pisses me off too.
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Hi Alex, it's been a while, glad to see you're as happy as ever :P
1.Didn't complain
2.Only tried a couple of times to play on k2
3. a)You came and told me to apologize to get my ban shortened. I'm not apologizing, i'm just going to wait til my ban is over. I am regretful as to my actions, however.
3. b)i don't know how or why my IP changes. It pisses me off too.
reffering to sk2: why did u try, although u know very well that u are banned?
and to point 3a i can say this: are u really waiting till ur ban is over? is this why u joined several times? even i had to ban u once:| so not n-ice, u know?
at 3b: i am suuuuuure that u are pissed off cos ur IP changes
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Just to clarify, the reason i attempted to join was because i saw there were new servers, upon seeing them i tried to join out of curiosity. It let me join. I then asked how i was allowed to join and was kicked immediately. Because of this, i was confused, so tried a few times every now and then. Each time kicked before i got an explanation until Alex came over to BTpro and told me. Since then, i have not tried to return until i asked a few days ago. Also, as you all know, i love desert and i'm good at it. If i return, it will be for k2 and k2 only. I do not care about my shortening my ban, i do not care for the rest of the servers and i do not care for the admin that use them (except a couple of you). If i really cared about playing here i could have easily played under a different name and you guys would never have known, but did i? no.
p.s i rarely break rules any more, the truth is i just don't need too ;)
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I see...so the mighty cossack can`t admit anything.Very well. I came to talk to you on BTPro to tell you to stop trying to enter our servers. You being confused...i got the counter-argument from you entrances....."the ghost of shagger" and things like that. There you said that you`re sorry and that you want to play, so i told you to come and apologize and your ban will most probably be shortened....but knowing that u felt that way.
But seeing your attitude, i`ll tell you what i`m gonna do. Every ip that u try joining with will be perma-banned from now on. So the more you try to enter...the less ips you will have. I already started with the one you used today or yesterday.
Fair and square in my opinion. And no....i don`t think you could have played under a different name. Why didn`t you do it on BTPro?
Please stop trying to act allmighty.....
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See you November 10th!
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did u need to cheat before? i don't think so. don't get me wrong, i knew that you were a good player, it was just ur language that got out of hand sometimes, but then you started cheating. i still not get it why did u do it? i feel like there is more behind this story, but...since u don't want to tell us...
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Hi guys, I've just tried to join a server but it says I'm still banned.
alex879ro "Cossack(UK) - Reasons described on the forum in the Unban Section", Ban date: 08/27/2012 01:34:43, Expires at: 11/10/2012 01:34:43
alex879ro Cossack- trying to avoid ban Bandate: 09/08/2012 20:48:11 Expires at: 11/22/2012 20:48:11
This seems peculiar because i only joined once since xOR's post and that was on the 10th october when I thought my ban had expired. Around then Alex came to speak to me and said that if I tried to join again he'd extend my ban so I haven't attempted since. It was a surprise to me that I was able to still join even with my ban in the first place!
Would it be possible for my ban to be removed? I don't understand, the dates and stuff on the bans are odd
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It is very simple. I banned you the first time so the first ban was from 27 August to 10 November (the first ip)
Then you changed ip and entered even if ...officially you weren`t allowed to enter....Mr C. or Theghostofshagger.....so all the admins banned you on sight....so now you got a whole set of ranges of 2 and half months from which the first ban range expires today and it is the first one....the one that i made.
They expire automatically, we don`t have to do anything for them to expire. And also the decision taken was to let them expire....It is logical to NOT be able to enter with an ip that you used to avoid the ban(entering even if officially you were banned)
So alex879ro Cossack- trying to avoid ban Bandate: 09/08/2012 20:48:11 Expires at: 11/22/2012 20:48:11 is just another join attempt and the ban on that ip will expire on 22 November.
Also, the first ban expired today meaning that we stop banning you on sight......and that the first ip banned expires today.
As for your reply "I only joined once" , I must ask you to not take us for fools again , and I must remind you 2 nicknames that you used : Mr C. and TheGhostofShagger
Also, i banned you a couple of times when you were on k2 server.
In the end, The expiration of the ban means:
1 That you can change your ip and join the servers with your account(You won`t be banned on sight anymore)
2 That the first ban range expires today
For the other ips that you used to join when you weren`t supposed to, you must wait for the bans to expire .....Sorry...but i warned you about that too.
I do hope that you learned from your ban, and I hope that we won`t reach such decisions about you in the future.
P.S Just so I make myself clear....there is a different ip for each ban....but they`re all under the name Cossack
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Something needs done about this guy once and for all.
I play this game for a few hours on the weekend after a week of work and generally I play my game and give no one any problem. Living in rural Canada with a lower end internet connection, this is one of the few games I play online against other people without too much problem!
Any time I see this cossack guy he's on talking himself up like he's God's gift to OpenTTD when in reality no one really cares. He ends up sounding like some jumped up spotty teenager with self esteem issues. I thought Transport Tycoon was a game for the slightly older and more mature among us but it looks like you can't avoid kids anywhere on the net.
Today he resorts to unprovoked calls of "skilless" (sic) and called me a "cunt" for no reasons at all. Batt had to step in and kick him out.
Really it doesn't make n-ice a favorable place to play on when you run into this guy because he generally just whines and shouts at other players. It would appear, looking at this thread, he has plenty of past issues and doesn't appear to learn. Please Cossack, just play the game and stop ruining it for others.
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a few points
1. that's a pretty accurate description of me
2. It's also irrelevant
3. I, just like you, want to play and not be hassled
4. you hassled me for no reason
5. expect a reaction when that happens
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6. You are so mad right now
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Cossack, I thought I talked with you yesterday and that you understood about the bad language. but from what i hear from Batt, it seems you didn`t. Seems nothing is working on you which is actually what`s making me furious, so let`s put it SIMPLE. ONE MORE INSULT , and you`ll be out again for 2 months!
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a few points
1. that's a pretty accurate description of me
2. It's also irrelevant
3. I, just like you, want to play and not be hassled
4. you hassled me for no reason
5. expect a reaction when that happens
The spotty teenager bit? Thought so ;)
How did I hassle you? I said literally nothing to you and then you start whining about lumber and calling names. I found it revealing when I called an admin to talk to you all you said was "Good luck". Almost as if you didn't think the admins had the balls to put you down. Last time I checked if an industry exists you're allowed to move the resources from it. You seem to have difficulty understanding how competition servers work and it looks like you're incapable of just playing the game and having fun. You also have respect issues for the people running these servers for everyones enjoyment. You need to stop being an internet tough guy. Easy to be a keyboard warrior I guess. Yes, you're very much mad, son.
Now I'm off to play a game or two and give no one any childish nonsense like you. Enjoy!
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Actually when it comes to spots I don't really have any (pic related, it's my cum face, spot-free) but, whatever man, you think I care? And yes, I do understand the definition of competing, but we weren't competing, the game was already a blowout. You just joined and started taking my shit. You think I haven't played with people like you before? Resource stealers - Here for a few months, win low % of games, always say the same shit "hurrr the rules allow it" etc and have never been around long enough to understand that there is etiquette and morals in this game which, just like IRL, aren't written down in the rulebook. You ever see me take your resources? no. You ever see any of other top players need to take other peoples resources? no. And do you know why? 2 reasons. Either they are good enough to buy your own, or they have respect for other player's builds. You deliberately engaged with me, when there was no reason too, and now you get butthurt at a reaction. Maybe if the game was neck & neck i'd understand but it wasn't, you just slowing me down, wasting my time and everyone else's.
Also, you're calling me childish, I find it pretty pathetic you have to go crying to admins after some " jumped up spotty teenager with self esteem issues" throws a few petty insults at you. You call yourself a man? Please...
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Cossack, in spite of your replies , you still don`t convince me. Whatever a player would do to you , YOU STILL ARE NOT ALLOWED TO INSULT. So my offer remains. If any of the admins say that they saw you insulting.....even minor insult, I`ll personally ban you again for 2 months. I hope that we are clear on this matter...
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I read your post, Alex.
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"hurrr the rules allow it" etc and have never been around long enough to understand that there is etiquette and morals in this game which, just like IRL, aren't written down in the rulebook.
Except I've been playing on these servers for a long time and when it comes to the rulebook I prefer to actually read it:
"Competition is encouraged! You don't own cities or industries, people can compete with you for any resources and even take the goods your factory produces!"
Notice how it's specifically mentioned and "encouraged" for people to compete for resources.
So please, get down off the "morality high horse". Considering how many bans you seem to have accumulated, you're the last person who should be gesticulating.
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"Except I've been playing on these servers for a long time" - When did you leave Ireland and how long is a long time? I'm assuming you're the Irish Al, he used to get in a pissy with me too.
And, look, the definition of 'compete'
Compete, noun: Strive to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others who are trying to do the same.
we were NOT competing. It was impossible for you to establish superiority over me in said game. You weren't even trying to win. thus we WERE NOT COMPETING. This is why I lashed out at you. Like I previously said, you were just wasting my time and everyone elses.
You want to compete? How about you play me 1v1 on server 3 and we both start at the same time, yeah? Instead of just building at my mills when i'm already 4 years into the game...
Why don't you go on my profile, click 'last 100 scores' and then tell me if you think we're really competing, yeah? YEAH?
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I must say moderators of n-ice has a most admirable amount or patience.
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Afraid I've never lived in Ireland. Sorry about that.
I was in the UK for a while with work.
The admins here will be able to tell you when my main account for the game was registered but it was a good few years ago from memory.
In any event you seem to have serious "internet tough guy" syndrome. I recommend going back to school or getting a job so you spend time in the real world.
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I must say moderators of n-ice has a most admirable amount or patience.
ennit, i've accumulated over 3 months in bans now and still no permaban. Although I don't really do anything worth permabanning for as I try my best to keep myself to myself nowadays. Why oh why do other people have to interact with me in a negative manner? If you're nice - i'm nice. If you're mean - I'm mean. Pretty simple. Oh and I treat the admins with respect (or atleast what I would consider as treating with respect, they'd probably disagree)
Afraid I've never lived in Ireland. Sorry about that.
I was in the UK for a while with work.
The admins here will be able to tell you when my main account for the game was registered but it was a good few years ago from memory.
In any event you seem to have serious "internet tough guy" syndrome. I recommend going back to school or getting a job so you spend time in the real world.
Ok, think you already know this but Ireland isn't in the UK. Anyway, it's quite the coincidence, There used to be a guy that played by the name of Al around the beginning to middle of last year and he used to act like you and give me the same shit that you do. Anyway, he's gone now and his words did not change me. I really do not see why you're wasting your breath , fella. Get used to me.
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You seem to be only person giving "shit" to be honest.
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Why oh why do other people have to interact with me in a negative manner?
Very good question to be asked every day before night
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You seem to be only person giving "shit" to be honest.
That your new angle? Nice.
Look, you were the one who decided to come and post in my ban thread talking shit about me...
Why oh why do other people have to interact with me in a negative manner?
Very good question to be asked every day before night
I'd prefer it if you didn't interact with me at all.
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You seem to be only person giving "shit" to be honest.
That your new angle? Nice.
Look, you were the one who decided to come and post in my ban thread talking shit about me...
after an admin had to deal with you for being childish and throwing insults on the server...
far from "talking shit", i'm just placing the facts on the public forum so that others can see what you're up to.
nice attempt at trying to play a victimhood card though. not sure you'll fool anyone here though.
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Everyone else that bothers coming on the forum already knows who I am and what I am like. The fact you are just discovering this now is quite surprising considering you've been a member for "a good few years". I've been here since 2011, would have thought we'd have crossed paths previously if that was the case. As far as I am concerned you are just another to moan about my attitude or the way I play, join the back of the fucking queue mate, you're nothing new and you're nothing special. It's boring me now tbh.
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Everyone else that bothers coming on the forum already knows who I am and what I am like. The fact you are just discovering this now is quite surprising considering you've been a member for "a good few years". I've been here since 2011, would have thought we'd have crossed paths previously if that was the case. As far as I am concerned you are just another to moan about my attitude or the way I play, join the back of the fucking queue mate, you're nothing new and you're nothing special. It's boring me now tbh.
I get the impression you're very special...in your own mind. Your posts distinctly sound like the type of person trying to distract attention from their real life failings. You should get some help - it's sad to see.
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My lifes achievements? You do realise i'm a teenager, right? If anything it's worse that you're on here giving me shit - "away on business". You are a middle-aged man, a barclays banker, telling a kid that they are worthless on a forum of an online community dedicated to a strategy-based transportation simulator because he threw some petty insults at you. Now i'm not going to judge you but that doesn't half speak volumes about yourself, so I don't think either of us are in positions to judge each other. Why do you let me affect you? You're making my thread waaay more popular than I deserve. and besides, all of that is irrelevant, this is oTTD ya digg? And btw, I looked at your profile and the awful scores, the irish al was better than you but i'm pretty sure we have played together before, almost definitely. But whatever, if I could mute you from my thread i would because this is dragging on now, you really shouldn't have taken my wood, we wouldn't even be having this conversation but I don't think you care because it seems like you forgot what we were arguing about anyway. If you want an apology you're not getting one, James Blunt.
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My lifes achievements? You do realise i'm a teenager, right? If anything it's worse that you're on here giving me shit - "away on business". You are a middle-aged man, a barclays banker, telling a kid that they are worthless on a forum of an online community dedicated to a strategy-based transportation simulator because he threw some petty insults at you. Now i'm not going to judge you but that doesn't half speak volumes about yourself, so I don't think either of us are in positions to judge each other. Why do you let me affect you? You're making my thread waaay more popular than I deserve. and besides, all of that is irrelevant, this is oTTD ya digg? And btw, I looked at your profile and the awful scores, the irish al was better than you but i'm pretty sure we have played together before, almost definitely. But whatever, if I could mute you from my thread i would because this is dragging on now, you really shouldn't have taken my wood, we wouldn't even be having this conversation but I don't think you care because it seems like you forgot what we were arguing about anyway. If you want an apology you're not getting one, James Blunt.
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!rules 2
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!rules 7
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That post required an edit?
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You shouldn't have taken my wood.