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Administration => Suggestions => Topic started by: naz on March 13, 2013, 04:56:44 am
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Hi,
As the name suggests, this server is dedicated for aiplane builders (me one of them) but its not possibel to fully make use of modern airports and modern airplanes. Can I ask for some thoughts to be given to this server...plz.
Thanx
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Sure, what do you have in mind?
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Well the last plane introduced is Darwin700 in the year 2042. My suggestions are as follows:
1) Start 2030 - 2060.(All planes and airports types in ottd can be utilized)
2) Planes never expire.... (for classic plane lovers).
3) Train lengths reduce to 5 tiles...(as lev4 would have come in and people would rush to long pax trains for easy money.whereas 5 tile trains should be sufficient for resources needed to expand towns)
4) Disable funding new industries.(stopping people from building lumber mills).
I am sure someone else can come with better ideas than what i have put down.
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Well, your ideas are not that radical and I consider they`ll have a good impact on the server. Altough 5 length is a bit harsh. The modifications that I agree are as following:
Start 2030 - End 2080 (there has to be some time for slow players too, in case they want to play. Basically, it doesn`t affect anything else since server has autorestart, and it also restarts when you win)
Planes never expire
Train Length = 6 (It`s kinda hard to operate with 2 wagons. The whole purpose of supplying vanishes)
Disable funding new industries
The modifications will also be posted in the news. Thank you for proposing them and in case you have any suggestions, don`t hesitate to tell us :)
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just in few days and it approved. i hope it happens on server 3 ;D
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Changes were made to attract more pple to this server and make more interesting, although, in my opinion, some tweaking is still required (number of 4k cities to be increased for example.)
As far as serevr 3 goes, thats one THE most popular server, so any adverse change might deter regular players.
Thats my opinion though...
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Update.
I think there is room for improvement (a much needed one too).
Competition is hamperred by low numbers of 4k cities, on average there are about 5 or 6 to start with and these are quickly taken up by players on first come first served basis.Very often new players visiting the server, with intent to play, leave soon, realising there is "no more room."
This situation can be overcome in two ways:
1) A bigger map, like 2048x2048 with lots of bigger cities.
2) Removing the noise limit.
Thats my opinion, hope to see others ideas too.
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i just played there and i agree on changing the map a bit
the towns are just too small. most players will have a hard time there
so why not increase city size a bit
and lower noise limit (like the halved noise limit on k4)
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please review the points here, we play for 5 years and got 170 points, 6 years and got 150 points, compare to other server it's little bit unbalance, so far i know this server is the easiest server yet highest points for fast server. ;)
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I think its time to "Up the bar" a bit. I suggest target increased to 1 billion, and perfect score of 900.
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from my experience I only need less then one hour to build all airport and all planes then just wait, if target increased the different is only have to wait longger,
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Well its the same on all servers, that you build your network and then just wait till you reach the goal. Its also a fact that building an airport network is the quickest one, as the server name suggests...you get exactly " what it says on the tin". Surely if one want to do more than just sit and wait, there are plenty of other servers with varied options.
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that's why i said easiest server yet highest points, and that's my reason said this server isn't fair for the other players. i think reduce the points is the only way.
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<<< oh no, don´t reduce the points, i like it very well, so i´ll be at top10 >>>
Chucky
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Good Server for short games, if i work at the week :D
but
please review the points here, we play for 5 years and got 170 points, 6 years and got 150 points, compare to other server it's little bit unbalance, so far i know this server is the easiest server yet highest points for fast server. ;)
jep to easy
Update.
I think there is room for improvement (a much needed one too).
Competition is hamperred by low numbers of 4k cities, on average there are about 5 or 6 to start with and these are quickly taken up by players on first come first served basis.Very often new players visiting the server, with intent to play, leave soon, realising there is "no more room."
This situation can be overcome in two ways:
1) A bigger map, like 2048x2048 with lots of bigger cities.
2) Removing the noise limit.
Thats my opinion, hope to see others ideas too.
me, too.
and higher goal, 1 Bill for a little bit longer games.
maybe a little less aircraft limit, 150.
I think then is the server more ballanced with the others...
And how can i suggest my opinion for a new Big Goal Server? ;) Server k4 is to small for me :D .... lol
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Or even better...Bigger map (2048x2048 +more cities), 5billion goal , 950 perf , 500 aircrafts...
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or maybe change airplanes set with the NEW GRF "World Airliners Set "
it worth to try ::)
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<<< oh no, don´t reduce the points, i like it very well, so i´ll be at top10 >>>
Chucky
sure i love this server too, if i play for 10 hours a day, maybe i can get 1500 points, in ten days i can become number 1 here :P
but is it fair? on other server we try our best to collect points. i love all people here :-* i wish for the best
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or maybe change airplanes set with the NEW GRF "World Airliners Set "
it worth to try ::)
A splendid idea, if only it can be put into practice
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Or even better...Bigger map (2048x2048 +more cities), 5billion goal , 950 perf , 500 aircrafts...
mhhhhhhhhh
That's almost cheating. lol
I think that is in proportion to the other servers too much points.
Then no more playing on server k4 or other... :-\
I love my big H Stations and the big line, too :) but i can it build only at the weekend, and at the week i play Airlinietycoon... lol
I want a Server with this:
Same Map as Server k4 but
Train and Station spread 30 or better 35 fields...
Trainmaximum 500
Airplanemaximum 50 or 100
Roadvehiclemaximum 150
Shipmaximum 50 or 100
Goal at 50 Bill (or 100Bil ???) with 1000 perf. Start at 1990 (or 1995), End at 2200
for weekend games....
if this possible, where can i discuss it?
Edit: i found it... ;) http://www.n-ice.org/openttd/forum/index.php?topic=367.0
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That's almost cheating. lol
I think that is in proportion to the other servers too much points.
Then no more playing on server k4 or other... :-\
I love my big H Stations and the big line, too :) but i can it build only at the weekend, and at the week i play Airlinietycoon... lol
U find a best words in this situation)))... Airlinetycoon... lol :)
I invite u and all people to k5 at weekend:) to build big H-Stations and 4-6 track mainline. And than u'll see why its impossible to use even 2 big stations fully ( to fill stations and lines with trains) becouse the goal will be reached at that time by your first trains :)))
!Admins Why we need a FIRS server with so little goal???
Confirm my suggestion PLEASE http://www.n-ice.org/openttd/forum/index.php?topic=366.0
PS Sorry for bad translation ;)
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Or even better...Bigger map (2048x2048 +more cities), 5billion goal , 950 perf , 500 aircrafts...
mhhhhhhhhh
That's almost cheating. lol
I think that is in proportion to the other servers too much points.
Then no more playing on server k4 or other... :-\
I love my big H Stations and the big line, too :) but i can it build only at the weekend, and at the week i play Airlinietycoon... lol
I want a Server with this:
Same Map as Server k4 but
Train and Station spread 30 or better 35 fields...
Trainmaximum 500
Airplanemaximum 50 or 100
Roadvehiclemaximum 150
Shipmaximum 50 or 100
Goal at 50 Bill (or 100Bil ???) with 1000 perf. Start at 1990 (or 1995), End at 2200
for weekend games....
if this possible, where can i discuss it?
Edit: i found it... ;) http://www.n-ice.org/openttd/forum/index.php?topic=367.0
500 train vs100 airplane ? oh nooo it's nomore airplane fantasia
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Yes...I know....A lot of servers are small for me too^^^. But that doesn`t mean I have the right to make all servers 2048 x 2048. Each server has it`s point. So no...I don`t consider enlarging the map of this to max is a solution. Nor do I consider that removing the noise limit to be a solution. If you want to improve the gameplay, think about other suggestions too. All I hear from you BlueFox is : MAKE GOAL BIGGER ; MAKE MAP BIGGER ; REMOVE ANY KIND OF LIMITATIONS . I`m looking forward to the moment when I`ll hear you offering a normal suggestion that would help the gameplay :)
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good points
1. game play harder
2. points reduce
3. game play longger
bad points
1. few 2k cities for big airplanes " it hurts for me "
2. 14 years and got 85 points
3. can't build industries " for good cash "
4, I'm not a city builder
tips
1, more big city and rise planes value
2, restore last settings and reduce the points
3, more big city and use newgrf world airline set " real airplanes looks good for airplane fantasia "
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About the bad points:
1: I know it hurts, but I wasn`t the one trying to get easy points from that server
2: It`s ok to get 85 points for 14 years. It`s a normal average or even a bit over the average.
3: Building industries is simply like a bit of cheating the map and the score
4: No, you`re not. This wasn`t my idea but we`ll see how it goes. So far it reduced the points as it should have
tips:
More big cities (C`mon....I hear that all the time. Make map bigger, more vehicles, bigger goal...it`s all I hear ^^)
Restore last settings and reduce the points (This is something that I`m thinking about....but time will tell)
More big city and use newgrf world airlines set (More big cities again?^^ About the newgrf , it`s not the first time someone`s told me this. I`ll think a bit and talk to xOR and perhaps we can try with grfs again to see the effect)
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1, easy points from this server, yep that's my reason to play airplane " it's easy " but how could i play if there's no big city
2, sorry bout this cos i just compare it with server #3 or #7 i get higher points there
3, in my opinion if i don't have passengers i should have goods " sure it's my problem as player bout how to beat this server "
4, yeah it's my problem dunno bout others
tips
1, i wish i'm not the lazy guy
2, i hope it come true "
3, i play this grf offline, and this grf is harder then normal planes, the reason is expensive airplanes ( cheapest planes 90K poundsterling and 2.8 million for best airplane)
the real reason for me is this server become long time server and i just can play short time server so it's hurt me " if i really want to play here and enjoy this server it's still good server " and yeah I'm not city builder LOL ^^
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Well, I told you...I`ll see what I can do about the Grf. Also I`d like to see more oppinions about this change. Geert? any oppinion?
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IMO there is no way to make this server fun for the people that like to play with (almost) only airplanes and keep the scoring fair when compared to the amount of work being done. This would require the new scoring system.
Secondly I usually agree with Alex that thing like: make the map bigger, more cities and so on are not the best solution but with airplanes there is a practical problem:
If there are 6 large cities and the first player starts building large airports there it is deadly for any future competition. Now if you enter the server you do not only have to catch up, you also have to first grow cities before you can build large airports!
Heck I've even seen a player that frequently posts here (no names) leave a game an create a bit of a fuzz because he was growing cities and right before he could place hi large airport some other player did ;D.
My suggestion to make the points fair when compared to the amount of work done for the same points on other servers:
Go back to the old settings and drastically reduce the amount of points given/game.
(IMHO it should even be lower than the score for a game that is comparable in terms of time and CV of other servers just because the effort of placing a few airports, bus transfers and planes does not compare to the amount of work it takes on other servers)
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Totally agree with Andreas. ;)
My suggestion to make the points fair when compared to the amount of work done for the same points on other servers:
Go back to the old settings and drastically reduce the amount of points given/game.
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another suggestion is no crash for airplane ;D
if there no crash little city is more then enough.
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Personally I do not like to turn crashes off. It is part of the risk you take when playing with aircraft, and compensation for the fact that it is much less work than other transport.
Also I like a bit of strategy so I don't like being able to build large aircraft on small airports without consequences.
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*crash planes
*small town
* low income
* high goal
* city builder
have to grow city then wait and wait and wait
hmmm...
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c'mon, don't pretend I said that I don't want to have anything changed. What I already said:
My suggestion to make the points fair when compared to the amount of work done for the same points on other servers:
Go back to the old settings and drastically reduce the amount of points given/game.
Besides do you think it is jun if you just build the airports, build the planes, and then wait? no thinking/transferring/strategy needed for a good game?
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Besides do you think it is jun if you just build the airports, build the planes, and then wait? no thinking/transferring/strategy needed for a good game?
if we talk about fun it's really personal, ::) " long games, short games, easy games, hard games, competition games, offline games, "
for me build city is harder then build industry, so can i call this good game? yup it's personal
plane crash is OK, but please reduce the goal to create ideal game" small city = small goal :D
it's hard to maintain crash planes
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i just watch bolsiq on k8, he is good with this server ;D